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Well think about it this way....if you were in your n+1's position.

You have a PhD and some years experience as a post-doc so are now a senior post doc. Your PhD student, who is fortunate enough to be on a fellowship/scholarship that is higher than your own wage already, is offered a job opportunity that you want. How would you feel?

The n+1 is more qualified and has more experience. Of course he/she is upset that you've been offered this opportunity at a higher wage. I would be really upset if that happened to me (although I'm wondering if it is even legal to do that, pretty sure it is against the law here in Australia to offer a job to someone without giving another person the chance to apply, or giving it to a person who is less qualified).

I think your approach is best, try to avoid n+1 for a while to let them work on their upset/anger.

But also, try to be a bit understanding and kind about it. It isn't your fault the n+2 wants you to do the new job, but it is pretty unfair that the n+1 hasn't even had the chance to apply and. They have worked just as hard as you, and for longer, so try to appreciate that this probably isn't so much about not liking you, as the fact that they think it is unfair that they are missing out.

As for any racism- that is just silly, and if I were you, I'd keep that idea to yourself as you could cause all kinds of problems for everyone involved.

-leelee-

jasmina on Wed Mar 21 22:22:46 2012 said:


I think you got the point !
n+1 doesnt make money as I do, since I have a an external fellowship higher, even Im Phd student.
and according to the rules of the country where I am, the n+1 got few money and has already PhD and is senior postdoc, somehow supervising me! but, im in my last year of PhD and n+2 wants that I remain for postdoc so, proposes me to apply for the opportunity. but the n+1 disagree since, he preferred to apply instead of me ..


The question is: if you get that post doc, does that mean that n+1 loses his job?
If you get that post doc and n+1 can still stay.. I dont see the problem..
However: I dont see the problem IF (important here) you will not make more money then n+1 .. if you do .. it wouldnt be fair..
(and now you are making more money because of the funds, so thats not you provoking this... But I have to say that I find it weird you spoke about salary etc while at the moment you make more money then a senior researcher.. it doesnt sound very gratefull.. Or was that talking about money about the post doc?)


Anway: just finish the PhD.. and then you can see what you do.. altough, I think the atmosphere is allready a bit ruined because of the salary talk etc..

(to be honest: I dont see why n+1 had to be involved in that ? Why wasnt your talk about that post doc with n+2 and just n+2?)

-pito-

becos the n+2 already asked me to remain for postdoc, but, i informed there are problems of funding in this state. so, i dont know, and he said ok dont worry.
with time, when this offer to apply to a fellowship appears, he came to ask me in front of n+1, to apply ! and n+1 was a bit anger as u mention and said that he want's to apply instead of me. ( even he has his own salary, he will not lose his position anyway, but, just want more money). and was disagree about n+2 idea to me..
so, n+2 decided that if n+1 wants to apply, just he does it. and asked me to think if I want to remain or not.
so, now, in these frustrations of money that have people here and that is the regulation of the country,,, so, they dont accept that a foreigner came to take their money...

-jasmina-

jasmina on Thu Mar 22 08:18:34 2012 said:


becos the n+2 already asked me to remain for postdoc, but, i informed there are problems of funding in this state. so, i dont know, and he said ok dont worry.
with time, when this offer to apply to a fellowship appears, he came to ask me in front of n+1, to apply ! and n+1 was a bit anger as u mention and said that he want's to apply instead of me. ( even he has his own salary, he will not lose his position anyway, but, just want more money). and was disagree about n+2 idea to me..
so, n+2 decided that if n+1 wants to apply, just he does it. and asked me to think if I want to remain or not.
so, now, in these frustrations of money that have people here and that is the regulation of the country,,, so, they dont accept that a foreigner came to take their money...


Well, to be honest: I find it a bit weird that you, less experienced, would get a job that seems to pay better then n+1 ..normally its n+1 that would "make promotion" and you would then get his job..
So I can understand that n+1 is a bit upset that he sees you "jumping over" him...

And it has nothing to do with a foreigner to take his/their money... If you were from the same country (born and raised) n+1 would be upset too!
This has nothing to do with from where you come or whatever.. This is just about money and prestige..
Someone without a PhD being asked for a higher or better (paid) position then the post doc himself... I mean ==> of course this will upset him!
And n+2 wasnt smart to ask you about this in front of n+1 without informing/talking to n+1 first..!

It doesnt make sense that you would earn more money when taking this post doc while the post doc, allready working there, earns less.. it just doesnt add up!
He has the same degree as you but more experience and yet, he will earn less? Not normal...
Also, n+1 might feel bad/threatened because n+2 asked you directly to take the job without talking to n+1 first.. this is also not normal.. its bad leadership...n+2 left n+1 out the discussion, which is not ok to do. N+1 is in the end your boss and he has to be taking in act, when deciding things about you!

If it was about a "normal" post doc (nothing to do with n+1) and with a regular salary (not more then n+1) then there would be no problem, but now.. the way how its handled..

-pito-
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