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Can science and religion coexist peacefully? This is a good question to start an interesting discussion. See how it was answered by many smart people at my website:

http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/donotmix.html

Ludwik Kowalski
Professor Emeritus
Montclair State University, NJ

-Ludwik Kowalski-

Still the wrong section, it belongs to "Philosophy and Science".

-hobglobin-

I think that they will never coexist, because there are too many difficulties.
For example, people who believe in God they don't trust to the scientists. There is no scientific facts in the Bible, we can see only legends.
Religion is a simple thing- you can believe or not believe. This is it. If we mix it up with science, we'll see the end of religion.

-sam99-

Sam, I'm interested in your polling data that support your claim that people who believe on God fail to trust scientists.  I know quite a few scientists, including myself, who believe in God.  As we render unto Caesar, we render unto science to rational understanding of the natural world.  

It is not belief in God that rejects science, it is the isms that attempt to claim all realms from liberalism and conservatism that reject vaccines, communism of Lysenko, etc.

-Phil Geis-

Hello

Thank you for sharing an interesting question like this.

I read some comments from the link you posted here and with my respect to everyone I disagree with their saying. I hope my answer for the question will include a useful information for you and for everyone and gives a chance to see other answers and perspectives of smart scientist and smart people throughout the world.

Yes I do think science and religion coexist peacefully. Because if you have a chance to study the Quran which is the last testament for humanity , you will learn many scientific facts proven by scientists from all over the world, from the west to the east. Which lead many of them to convert to Islam after study, examine , analyzing these facts . One example of that , you can see

Why did Many Scientists Accept Islam ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzdePKItsFk
Prof Keith Moore converts to Islam after finding scientific facts about embryology in the Quran. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC2_IMz9qcY

Scientific facts , discoveries, and studies in many different majors agree with the Quran. Majors such as , Astronomy and Space, Physics, Geography, Geology, Oceanography, Biology, Botany, Zoology, Physiology, Embryology, Earth Science , Health and Medicine , General science ..ect. You can learn more about that and see the original references from these websites :

The Secrets of Quran Miracles
http://kaheel7.com/eng/

The Quran Miracles Encyclopedia

http://quran-m.com

DR. Zaghlul El-Naggar
http://www.elnaggarzr.com/en/

Books
1- The Qur'an and the Modern Science – DR. Maurice Bucaille (Edited by Dr. A. A. Bilal Philips)
http://www.whyislam.org/submission/the-holy-quran/the-quran-and-modern-science-3/
2- The Geological Concept of Mountains in the Quran - DR. Zaghlul El-Naggar
http://d1.islamhouse.com/data/en/ih_books/single/en_Geological_Concept_of_Mountains.pdf
3- Treasures in the Sunnah a Scintific Approach - Part I – DR. Zaghlul El-Naggar
http://www.islamland.com/uploads/books/546a5266-0390-42b2-b405-053cb8adb1fd-Treasures_in_the_Sunnah_1.pdf
4-Treasures in the Sunnah a Scintific Approach - Part II - 2- DR. Zaghlul El-Naggar
http://www.islamland.com/uploads/books/Treasures_in_the_Sunnah_2.pdf
5- The Miracle in the Mosquito - Harun Yahya
http://m.harunyahya.com/en/Books/3043/the-miracle-in-the-mosquito
6- The Miracle in the Cell - Harun Yahya
http://m.harunyahya.com/en/Books/3752/the-miracle-in-the-cell

YouTube
Quran and Modern Science Compatible or Incompatible ? By Dr Zakir Naik- Full Lecture
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cPkDQvmDviQ
Science and Islam- BBC Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL41gX0fJng
The Golden Age of Islam under the Caliphate: Inventions, Research and Advancements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Zql8PeOcE&spfreload=10

For more explanation you can see :

What's Islam? Islam in Brief – By Yusuf Estes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OsmYQl3xy_Y
The Quran or The Bible Which is God's Word ? Sheikh Ahmed Deedat at New York City
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cti-pXVREsk
Quran or Bible - which is God's word? Ahmed Deedat VS Anis Shorrosh (Main Part)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kKfWSkOGVzw
The Miracle of Miracles by Ahmed Deedat
https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.box.net%2Fshared%2Fycjf080dzn
Quran: Definition of the Term
http://www.missionislam.com/quran/qurandefinition.html
The Challenge of the Quran
http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/Miracle/ijaz.html
Quran’s Universality
http://www.whyislam.org/submission/the-holy-quran/the-origin-of-the-quran/
Dialogue with my unbeliever friend - By Mustafa Mahmud (with modifications)
http://www.muslimbioethics.com/pdf/Dialog%20with%20my%20unbeliever%20friend.pdf

These are just a few information about Quran & science and Islam in general . If you would like to learn more , I recommend you to look for reliable and specialized sources to have accurate information. Detailed information from scientists and experts so you can remove any misconceptions.

All the Best

-Shahad-

Interesting - a number of the facts are wrong, Keith Moore isn't a Muslim as far as I can tell, although he has worked with the Saudi Arabian government closely on a number of Q'uran and embryology topics.

 

There are also quite a number of "facts" that are wrong in the video on the Caliphate (the only one I watched) - for instance, aquaducts were in use well before Islam became a religion - the Romans had them running at least a century BC, as well as public plumbing (sewers and water supply). The Chinese invented and mass-produced gunpowder long before it came to the knowledge of the Muslim (and the rest of the western world), though the use in the Islamic world did help to spread its use into Europe.

 

As far as I know there is a lot of science that has been observed before with regards to the natural world, that has either been forgotten or has been largely dismissed as speculation because of the sources (e.g. religious writings), so this sort of observation is nothing new. For instance, the Egyptians at the time of the Pharaohs knew much about astronomy, which was lost when the system fell, and only "discovered" in the western world with the advent of the Greek culture. So too, the Chinese had equipment and tools (e.g. ducted gas, portable gas cookers) around before the Marco Polo visited, that wouldn't become common in the western world until the 1800's.

-bob1-

I agree with Bob1, Roman, Chinese, Greek history you completely ignore...

Anyway you showed that in history, Islam coexisted peacefully with science and that many inventions were made. Anyway what about today (btw a question you can also ask Christians)? And please don't post again a long row of links to proof this but write something on your own.

-hobglobin-

Hello bob1

Thank you for correcting the information about Dr. Keith L. Moore

I said he is Muslim because he said that he is believing in the prophet Muhammad and
the Quran as the word of Allah . Sorry for my mistake. I apologize

Question to Dr. Keith L. Moore: "Are you are a Muslim?"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IObOzMAQ3hI

I mentioned one wrong example about scientists who converted to Islam. But there are other correct examples of scientists who converted to Islam because the scientific facts in the Quran and because the Quran itself .They announced by them self.

European Scientist Becomes Muslim
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DhTZKXMRmh8

British Scientist Converts to Islam | Full conversation LIVE
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=05A-xg1UjEY

Dr. Jeffrey Lang - From Atheism To Islam
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g2ZIgn1K7E4

also , Science students in America convert to Islam
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dVKRahUf60w

Also you can see

Dr.Maurice and the Pharaoh - Qur'an & Science
http://www.usislam.org/converts/mauricebucaille.htm

Top Scientists Comments on Scientific Miracles in the Quran # Faith and Science #

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FUUPYs0gElU

A Jewish scientist amazed by the Quran

https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL6D01E585845EACDC&params=OAFIAVgE&v=9q59YgkJQvU&mode=NORMAL


So the main idea which I would like to share is that non Muslim scientists and Muslim scientists agree that science and religion like Islam can coexist peacefully.

And If you think the video on the Caliphate is presenting wrong information that you correct it . Could you please mention your references ?

And maybe this other video is better than the previous one

BBC What Islamic World Did For Us - Documentry over ancient Islamic inventions

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J1btMSGeZfA

and you mentioned that "aquaducts were in use well before Islam became a religion"

Islam is not a new religion found by Prophet Muhammad. And it did not started after the Romans , the Chinese .Because the message of Islam which is calling for monotheism started when the first human lived in the earth before Romans , Chinese , Pharaohs , Greek ..

A. (i) To every nation was sent a Guide or a Messenger
Al-Qur'an 35:24
Al-Qur'an 13:7

if would like to know more about this case , you can see :

Islam is not a new religion! By Dr Zakir Naik
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVVTDOPWZhg

INTRODUCTION
Similarities / Similar Teachings in the Quran and the Bible which Muslims follow but Christians don't
http://www.irf.net/islam_christianity.html

Could human change these books ?
http://m.islamweb.org/emainpage/articles/ver2/ver2/keyboard/greybox/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=89800

Also can you please mention the name of the religion which allowed people to dismissed science because their sources such as "religious writing" ? And the references please ?


After watching these videos , Lectures , and articles we can see that knowing the creator and science and doing inventions, scientific research and discoveries can coalesce together by people. people who lived in the past until now . and still we as human have few information about the world

"And of knowledge ,you (mankind) have been given only a little " The Noble Quran English Translation of the meanings and commentary.

So I think we are still Learning. "Learning is a lifelong process " Peter Druker

-Shahad-

Hi hobglobin

Everyone can be Ignorant in a specific thing . But i think no one can be completely Ignorant ! Except arrogant people who think that they know everything in the world when they "know nothing"!

Ignorant isn't a problem if we keep learning and be open mind to the new finds we face ,and have willing to change for better. So , we will solve our ignorance in many cases in life.

I think it is very important that i share the references of my information , even if it is a long list of references . So everyone can see the evidence and know the truth about the issue. “follow the evidence wherever it leads ” Socrates , I agree with his statement .

Because many people speak without "knowledge" or "evidence" which make their saying just claims. And these claims if it is not true can make us Ignorant and far away from the facts about the issue that we discuss .This is why references can be important to proof and to correct the information.

Your question : what about today ?

There are many Muslim scientists and students from all over the world who are making many progress in scientific field also other different fields beside science like others .

you can see

1-Dr Hayat Sindi , Saudi medical researcher , to be named a UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/unesco/events/all-events/?tx_browser_pi1%5BshowUid%5D=7321&cHash=2d12f802a8

“Something the size of a postage stamp, costing just a penny a piece, could be a medical breakthrough that will save millions of lives. According to Hayat Sindi, when this tiny piece of paper enters an impoverished African village, the power of an entire diagnostic lab has arrived.” National Geographic.

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/explorers/bios/hayat-sindi/

2- Best Muslim Scientific Achievements in 2014
http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/special-coverage/481371-best-muslim-scientific-achievements-in-2014.html

3- 16-Year-Old Iraqi Immigrant Solves 300 Year Old Mathematical Problem, “The Bernoulli Numbers”.
http://www.thelocal.se/20090528/19710


Good Luck

-Shahad-

I mentioned one wrong example about scientists who converted to Islam. But there are other correct examples of scientists who converted to Islam because the scientific facts in the Quran and because the Quran itself .They announced by them self.

So the main idea which I would like to share is that non Muslim scientists and Muslim scientists agree that science and religion like Islam can coexist peacefully.

Nothing new there, lots of people change religion and/or belief every day, even becoming religious while being scientist is relatively common.

And If you think the video on the Caliphate is presenting wrong information that you correct it . Could you please mention your references ?

and you mentioned that "aquaducts were in use well before Islam became a religion"

Islam is not a new religion found by Prophet Muhammad. And it did not started after the Romans , the Chinese .Because the message of Islam which is calling for monotheism started when the first human lived in the earth before Romans , Chinese , Pharaohs , Greek ..

A. (i) To every nation was sent a Guide or a Messenger
Al-Qur'an 35:24
Al-Qur'an 13:7

I'm in no doubt about the contribution of the Muslim world to the enlightenment in mediaeval times, and their current contributions, so I'm not disputing most of what is said, just that some of it is mis-represented. For instance, it is well known that the rudiments of calculus were around in the time of the Egyptian empire (circa 2000 bc), which is well before the Islamic schools came into being. IN addition, the aquaducts in Cordoba (I think that was the city mentioned) were roman aquaducts... What was presented was that these were Muslim contributions to the city, which they weren't. I'm not going to watch the video again, but you should check the information presented for yourself if you want to be a scientist - even wikipedia will give you the basics here! Critical thinking and scepticism are key to being a scientist.

Any argument that Islam was started as a major religion before the Qur'an is spurious, there is absolutely no proof of it, and it could equally be argued the same for any religion (if you were posting this about Christianity I would argue the same, although there I would argue re prior to Jesus). As a matter of fact, like many mono-theistic religions, Islam is an Abrahamic religion, which makes it on a par with Judaism, Christianity etc, and that is all that can be said. Arguments that all the prophets preached Islam, as is taught (I think) in Islam, are equally spurious, as they could in fact have been (and probably were) preaching any of the Abrahmic religions as they all have the same basic tenets.


Also can you please mention the name of the religion which allowed people to dismissed science because their sources such as "religious writing" ? And the references please ?

It wasn't a religion I was talking about, but science dismissing ideas that had been presented in other contexts. For example, the anti-malarial Artemisnin (well, the source plant) was known about by the Chinese at least 500 years ago, but the use was only re-discovered in the 1970s.

So I think we are still Learning. "Learning is a lifelong process " Peter Druker

Can't argue with that...

-bob1-
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