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gt_ameya on Fri Apr 22 06:09:22 2011 said:

Pito,

I think you are making yup your mind on the basis of a One Paper and some documentaries you saw about India. I do agree to the fact that sanitation in India is not up to the global standards and that will definitely lead to more diseases. But then you cant say that majority of antibiotic resistance bacteria originate here/ or the problems start in India.

MRSA, Britain, 1961
Penicillin-Resistant Enterococcus 1983,
vancomycin-resistant enterococcus 1987,
Linezolid-Resistant Enterococcus 1990s,
Clindamycin-resistant C. difficile in New York, Arizona, Florida and Massachusetts between 1989 and 1992
Acinetobacter baumannii in patients at military medical facilities in Iraq/Kuwait region, 2005.

Would you say all these are also results of increasing medical tourism and prevalence of caste system in India?

Regarding the use of antibiotics in poultry and fisheries industries, there is definite need to stricter regulation on its use in the country and all over the world. Just because Europe bans 4 antibiotics (not all) in its feed in 2006, you cant go telling the world to stop using antibiotics.

Also, your blaming Asia for SARS/ Bird flu is insane. When you should be sympathizing with people and trying to help them out, in every way you can, saying that Asia is responsible for manufacturing H1N1 and spreading it in the world, is insulting your understanding of the genetics.

The very fact that medical tourism is on a high in India answers your doubts of sanitation in hospitals. BTW, hospitals in India do not differentiate amongst patients on the basis of caste or "medical insurance".

Regulation in many areas is something India and China are struggling with at the moment. But you must realise, the expanse of the countries and how difficult it can be send a message across an area of 3,287,263 km2 (107 times bigger than Belgium) and atleast 30 major languages.

You do realize that the "tourists" that come to India for an operation are going to visit the better hospitals? And not the bad ones?
So yes, you have clean/good hospitals too..

And the hospitals dont differentiate amongst patients......... Eum......again: the poor ones... they wont go to the better hospital far away in the big city.....

+ even if the hospitals dont differentiate, the differentiating is happening : patients that cant go to a good hospital because its too far away or because they dont dare too.
And you say the caste system doesnt influence it... comon.... there are some people out there that arent even allowed to leave their own houses/little towns they live in.. if they got caught moving away they risk a beating a being killed...
(and not they are not criminals...)

And yes, there were problems in europe/USA too... but we are dealing with it.. India should have done this too..
They are trying now, but there are still big problems.

And its not about blaming.... there is no point in that.
Its about noticing how bad somethings are and how they should change.
Its clear antibiotics are overused and we need to change that. But some countries still use many of them and keep using them.
And europe banned many more antibiotics before the 4 you are talking about.
Or at least we set limits.

So yes, its all about stopping the massive use of antibiotics.
And also about how you use it: antibiotics are used to defeat an infection, not to prevent one.. at least not when it comes to animals...

-pito-

pito on Fri Apr 22 08:55:45 2011 said:

And you say the caste system doesnt influence it... comon.... there are some people out there that arent even allowed to leave their own houses/little towns they live in.. if they got caught moving away they risk a beating a being killed...
(and not they are not criminals...)

Where did you get this information from????

-gt_ameya-

gt_ameya on Fri Apr 22 09:15:11 2011 said:

pito on Fri Apr 22 08:55:45 2011 said:

Where did you get this information from????

Héhé...

I have family living there + been there myself + I work with some people from India + my father deals a lot with people from India..

I know I am most likely biased on some things , some ideas, they come from my experiences... but still, there are things going wrong...
But I guess I am biased a lot due to certain social "things" going on in India that shocked me (and most of all shocked the people I know that work/live there).

-pito-

pito on Fri Apr 22 08:38:41 2011 said:

Those alternative therapies like trowing up .... it will never work...

Phages: a lot of disadvantages that make me think it will never be that good.

In the end it comes donw to one thing: use different types of treatment and prevent adaptation.

But you are right: we should also look at other therapies, but in the end they wont be the miracle "drug" either. Bacteria adapt to almost anything.

You are very skeptical in allowing anything other than antibiotics in your line of treatment.

I dont think anyone is looking for panacea or will find one. Change is at the heart of the world we live in and we all have to adapt to these changes. its about survival after all

-gt_ameya-

gt_ameya on Fri Apr 22 09:22:03 2011 said:

pito on Fri Apr 22 08:38:41 2011 said:

Eum, but I think we both have different definitions of "antibiotics".

BTW: do you have any idea about what the strongest antibiotic known to man is? And how old it is and still working????? We have thi knowledge for many years (about this antibiotic) and still.. research is so slow , nobody seems to be intersted.

Another thing: how is it with the softshell turtle? Have the measurements taken by the governement helped or is it still the same problem that they are destroying it?
(this is also where I get my biased ideas: the way how the Ganges is being used.. and destroyed in fact)

-pito-

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