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Isopropanol precipitation - best time and temperature? - (Dec/02/2004 )

Hi,

does anyone know what is the best temperature and time for Isoprop precipitation of DNA? I usually do at room temperature and centrifuge immediately. Can I improve this? And would it matter if I keep my samples on ice for 1-2 hours before centrifuging?
I am courious to hear your opinion about this!

Rybkasusa

-rybkasusa-

I precipitate DNA with isopropanol, 10 minutes, on the bench. I then centrifuge, discard the supernatant, wash with 70% ethanol (-20°C), centrifuge, discard the supernatant, and dissolve my DNA pellet in water about 60 minutes at 37°C.

Hope this helped

Simon

[I]I don't think 1-2 hours on ice would change much... but I might be wrong...

-Simonsays-

I would say this depends on the salt concentration in precipitation. When you do not add NaAc you should definitely put the vial on ice for some time and centrifuge at 4 °C.

I let most precipitations stand at 4°C over night or incubate them >30 min. on ice and never add NaAc, because it can co-precipitate salts.

-Solomona-

So you precipitate without salt? How does this work?

-rybkasusa-

There are salts inside your extract, like Tris or NaCl.
Adding 0,1 V 3 M NaAc is increasing the precipitation of nucleic acids, as well the precipitation of other salts.

Precipitating 30 min. on ice without adding anything besides Isopropanol gives same yield like 30 min. on ice and 0,1 Vol. NaAc. It is just decreasing the time. Add it when you have little DNA in your sample and definitely leave it away when you know there is a high salt background matrix in your extract.

Recently I compared temperature, incubation time and NaAc addition because I had a contamination carried over from extraction and found that precipitating in room temperature gives much smaller yield than on ice and NaAc is just shorting the precipitation time. That screening didn't really help with the co-precipitation of humic acids but made me feeling good about the standard precipitation in our lab.

So, when you are not in a hurry, do you extractions in the afternoon, put you samples on ice or in the fridge and be happy with it next morning. One hour will be enough in most cases.

regards,
Solomona

-Solomona-

Now I finally tried with Isoprop (and o,3M Sodiumacetate), keeping on ice for 2 hours (because we had a seminar then smile.gif ), and had really nice amounts of DNA.

-rybkasusa-

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QUOTE (Solomona @ Dec 3 2004, 08:35 AM)
There are salts inside your extract, like Tris or NaCl.
Adding 0,1 V 3 M NaAc is increasing the precipitation of nucleic acids, as well the precipitation of other salts.

Precipitating 30 min. on ice without adding anything besides Isopropanol gives same yield like 30 min. on ice and 0,1 Vol. NaAc. It is just decreasing the time. Add it when you have little DNA in your sample and definitely leave it away when you know there is a high salt background matrix in your extract.

Recently I compared temperature, incubation time and NaAc addition because I had a contamination carried over from extraction and found that precipitating in room temperature gives much smaller yield than on ice and NaAc is just shorting the precipitation time. That screening didn't really help with the co-precipitation of humic acids but made me feeling good about the standard precipitation in our lab.

So, when you are not in a hurry, do you extractions in the afternoon, put you samples on ice or in the fridge and be happy with it next morning. One hour will be enough in most cases.

regards,
Solomona


How did you get rid of your humics?

I'm working with a VERY salty soil with lots of contaminants including humics, which I can see by the brown color after extraction. I can isolate and quantify DNA, but cannot amplify it with PCR. I'm going to try the tips I've picked up to optimize my alcohol precipitation (including no longer adding NaAC) to see if that helps, but am not sure what the inhibitor might really be.

I know that the inhibitor isn't high salt concentrations because I've dialized the heck out of the sample and it still does not amplify. I know that we have pretty much optimized our PCR program in general, so my feeling is that it is an inhibitor. I found something that said that SDS might precipiate in the presence of high concentrations of salt, but I don't know how to wash out the salt prior to precipitation and have not found an easy way to remove the humics I know are present. dry.gif

Any and all suggestions from anyone would be very appreciated. Thanks.

Extremophile

-extremeophile-