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benefits of urea in SDS PAGE gel - (Apr/23/2008 )

hi all!
just a query a lab mate mentioned that putting 8M urea in my samples prior to running a gel may lead to a nicer more resolved gel. is this true? and why if so? and is it normal to run a lower % gel in stacking ie 4% than the resovling gel (11%)?
thanks!

-proteinZ!-

Urea is a strong denaturant. I guess it further denatures proteins and thus they can migrate through the gel more freely. And stacking gel is definitely important to make sure the proteins arrange themselves in such a way that during separation, it can resolve nicely in the resolving gel.

-timjim-

it also helps sharpen the bands.

-mdfenko-

how does it sharpen the bands? in denatured form? denatured form = sharper bands?

-timjim-

i'm not exactly sure why (maybe because it exposes hidden groups of the protein) but urea enhances charge separations in page. since the protein has a uniform negative charge with sds this effect allows (or forces) the protein to remain stacked.

-mdfenko-

QUOTE (proteinZ! @ Apr 23 2008, 05:27 AM)
hi all!
just a query a lab mate mentioned that putting 8M urea in my samples prior to running a gel may lead to a nicer more resolved gel. is this true? and why if so? and is it normal to run a lower % gel in stacking ie 4% than the resovling gel (11%)?
thanks!



What is the proportion of volume of urea to be added to the sample?

-Caecilian-

QUOTE (proteinZ! @ Apr 23 2008, 09:27 AM)
hi all!
just a query a lab mate mentioned that putting 8M urea in my samples prior to running a gel may lead to a nicer more resolved gel. is this true? and why if so? and is it normal to run a lower % gel in stacking ie 4% than the resovling gel (11%)?
thanks!


As I know, there are two proteins request urea during the extract and the western. One is histone, using acid-urea can get rid of non-histone component from nuclear extract. Another is Insulin, it's small MW molecules and urea are required in the SDS gel. I am not sure about the reason. but the band is always a big ugly patch so I believe to sharping the band is not the reason.

-xiix-

QUOTE (xiix @ May 12 2008, 12:20 PM)
As I know, there are two proteins request urea during the extract and the western. One is histone, using acid-urea can get rid of non-histone component from nuclear extract. Another is Insulin, it's small MW molecules and urea are required in the SDS gel. I am not sure about the reason. but the band is always a big ugly patch so I believe to sharping the band is not the reason.

what is the running buffer for insulin, tris-glycine or tris-tricine?

how does the insulin band look without the urea? maybe it is a larger, more diffuse patch without urea?

we have added urea to sds-page to sharpen and improve the separation of high molecular weight proteins. without urea the protein banding was more diffuse and harder to judge mobility.

-mdfenko-

QUOTE (mdfenko @ May 12 2008, 03:39 PM)
QUOTE (xiix @ May 12 2008, 12:20 PM)
As I know, there are two proteins request urea during the extract and the western. One is histone, using acid-urea can get rid of non-histone component from nuclear extract. Another is Insulin, it's small MW molecules and urea are required in the SDS gel. I am not sure about the reason. but the band is always a big ugly patch so I believe to sharping the band is not the reason.

what is the running buffer for insulin, tris-glycine or tris-tricine?

how does the insulin band look without the urea? maybe it is a larger, more diffuse patch without urea?

we have added urea to sds-page to sharpen and improve the separation of high molecular weight proteins. without urea the protein banding was more diffuse and harder to judge mobility.


We use Tricine-urea-SDS-PAGE system, I agree with you Urea might improve the band, but I won't expect too much.
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/278/17/14798

-xiix-

QUOTE (xiix @ May 12 2008, 09:41 PM)
We use Tricine-urea-SDS-PAGE system, I agree with you Urea might improve the band, but I won't expect too much.
http://www.jbc.org/cgi/reprint/278/17/14798

i looked at your reference. the banding doesn't look so much bad as overloaded (either protein load or radioactivity or both). have you tried lower loadings?

-mdfenko-