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high background with peptide blocking - (Apr/13/2007 )

I am characterizing a new antibody on mouse brain sections. The antibody gives a good signal. To show the specificity of the antibody, I did a blocking experiment with the peptide. Briefly,I preincubated 1 microgram of the antibody with 1 microgram of the peptide (used to make the antibody) (which is 100x in terms of molarity) in 100 microL of PBS at 4°C for 90 min. I then centrifuged the mixture for 5 min at 13,000 g, and put 90 microL from that into the blocking solution over sections o/n at 4°C. I used DAB reaction for staining.

The problem is that the background increases considerably with antibody+peptide, as compared to when antibody is used alone. Can someone guide me how to reduce this background.

Thanks

-viladd-

QUOTE (viladd @ Apr 13 2007, 03:06 PM)
I am characterizing a new antibody on mouse brain sections. The antibody gives a good signal. To show the specificity of the antibody, I did a blocking experiment with the peptide. Briefly,I preincubated 1 microgram of the antibody with 1 microgram of the peptide (used to make the antibody) (which is 100x in terms of molarity) in 100 microL of PBS at 4°C for 90 min. I then centrifuged the mixture for 5 min at 13,000 g, and put 90 microL from that into the blocking solution over sections o/n at 4°C. I used DAB reaction for staining.

The problem is that the background increases considerably with antibody+peptide, as compared to when antibody is used alone. Can someone guide me how to reduce this background.

Thanks


I remember experiments with similar experiences; since that time I pass on blocking peptides in immunoblotting

In my case the blocking peptide bound to some blotted proteins in the way of a far Western blot; the peptide was of course detected by the Ab; so you get a ternary complex of peptide-binding protein/peptide/Ab;

you need an alternative peptide or the whole protein for Ab blockade, and the hope that these alternatives do not bind to Western blotted proteins; I think any protocol to lower affinity of peptide and peptide-binding proteins may affect the Ab-antigen binding

-The Bearer-

Did you try incubating the peptide-antibody mixture overnight or at least longer than 90 min?

-WAstate-

QUOTE (WAstate @ Apr 13 2007, 11:56 PM)
Did you try incubating the peptide-antibody mixture overnight or at least longer than 90 min?


in my experience longer incubation of peptide with Ab did not help as, in my case, the peptide binding site to the blotted protein was not masked by the Ab; so, I think the peptide/Ab complex still bound with the peptide; nevertheless, in the case of blocking the peptide binding site with a binding-site masking Ab should circumvent the problem...

-The Bearer-

Thanks for your replies.

"blocking the peptide binding site with a binding-site masking Ab should circumvent the problem" How can I know where the peptide binding site on other proteins lies?

-viladd-

QUOTE (viladd @ Apr 16 2007, 10:46 AM)
Thanks for your replies.

"blocking the peptide binding site with a binding-site masking Ab should circumvent the problem" How can I know where the peptide binding site on other proteins lies?



by expressing and blotting various deletion forms of your protein, or more simple, separating tryptic peptides of your protein, blotting and reprobing; if there is enough protein it may be enough for Ms/Ms analysis or Edman sequencing

-The Bearer-