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No colony after ligation - (May/03/2006 )

I moved into a new lab weeks ago, I tried to construct vectors but no colony at all(even no background colony) after the ligation. So I tried to do self-ligation but also failed(single enzyme cut, recover from gel and ligate ON at 16C). My competent cells can be transformed by plasmids and TA vector(ligation-free), but not the ligation. I thought it shoud be the problem of ligation. I run a gel to check the ligation products and it looks good. I tried different ligase from 2 to company(invitrogen and NEB), they were same.
I've done a lot vector before, I don't know what's wrong I made in the new lab. Any suggestion would be appreciated.

-wabjtam-

what kind of efficiency are you getting with your transformation controls? supercoiled plasmid transforms at some crazy high efficiency....perhaps your ligation product is just transforming at a much lower efficiency and that is why it's not working.

-aimikins-

QUOTE (aimikins @ May 3 2006, 01:32 PM)
what kind of efficiency are you getting with your transformation controls? supercoiled plasmid transforms at some crazy high efficiency....perhaps your ligation product is just transforming at a much lower efficiency and that is why it's not working.

Thanks for your reply.I use electroporation competent cells and one-tenth of my transformed cells can get more than 1000 colonies.I think it is enough for the ligation transformation. By the way, the colonies grow slower than normal ones, but I can get the plasmid from them. ......??

-wabjtam-

how much slower? perhaps there is too much antibiotic in your media?

-aimikins-

QUOTE (aimikins @ May 3 2006, 04:48 PM)
how much slower? perhaps there is too much antibiotic in your media?

20-24-hrs growths is as same as the normal O.N gowth(13-15). For Kan, I use 50ug/ml.

-wabjtam-

that sounds OK, although I think you can use a little less, 50 should still be all right

are you dialyzing or otherwise removing impurities from your ligation mix prior to electroporation?

-aimikins-

QUOTE (aimikins @ May 3 2006, 05:14 PM)
that sounds OK, although I think you can use a little less, 50 should still be all right

are you dialyzing or otherwise removing impurities from your ligation mix prior to electroporation?

Thanks, I inactive the ligase in 65C and treat by chloroform before electroporation, this is the standard procedure I followed each time. I also did a control using the plasmid.

-wabjtam-