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#130558 In cellulo: an eyesore and here's why...

Posted casandra on 06 March 2012 - 08:53 PM

View PostRichard Poulin, on 03 March 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

This is about the recently proposed use of "in cellulo" to refer to observations made in isolated live cells, rather than in vitro which was (and still is) currently used for that purpose. Of course, this distinction has emerged from repeated (and often appropriate) remarks that in vitro also applies to experiments made in acellular systems (e.g. enzymatic assay in a test tube vs. the same assay using intact cells). Since in vivo always refers to observations made in whole organisms, there is this intermediate situation with tissue culture which needed some semantic distinction to emphasize the fact that it is in vivo but in vitro, like Schrödinger's cat Posted Image

I know this has been discussed in a previous forum, but the final outcome should have been better... There was strong disagreement between members about the need for a distinction, but finally, the issue remained completely unresolved.

I don't intend to make a Solomon's judgement here. My position is that it is a relevant distinction to make and that it should be implemented slowly but surely from the base up, until usage in one way or another prevails.

However, I strongly object to the term "in cellulo" for a very simple reason: it's not even Latin! I have nothing against creating a new term as long as it follows the rules of nomenclature. And here, these rules are quite simple:all  similar expressions in biology are derived from Latin, not from some idea of Latin that some dunce had one ominous day when that expression was first forged and inserted in a publication !

Of course, no true classical Latin name exists for a living cell, but the scientific acceptations of the term in Latin are cella, -ae (fem.).(orig. a small chamber) and cellula, -ae (fem.) (orig. a ... very small chamber!). Since the terms in vitro and in vivo use the ablative case,  the properly derived term that parallels the two other accepted situations should be in cellaor in cellula (not "in cellulo"!!!).

In summary, the currently increasing use of "in cellulo" is incorrect since it does not respect the gender of the Latrin name for cell. One may argue that the Latin word "cellulum" ( which would be neutral) could be specially created to "force-fit" an ad hoc term for a phonetic equivalent to in vivo and in vitro, This could be justified by the fact that there is no true classical Latin word for a living cell, as mentioned above. However, there is a tradition in the scientific and medical literatures of the XVIIIth and XIXth centuries (in Latin) established for either cella or cellula. Cellulum simply never existed!

At this stage, editors could easily agree to recommend a change to in cellula in the immediate future before the mistake becomes too widespread to make a change in direction.

I wouldn't expect a large fraction of the biological community to care about this, since Latin isn't part of the curriculum for most younger biologists. But for old geezers who happened to spend several high school years studying Latin, I cannot tell how much it hurts every time I see "in cellulo" in print !

I think I will insert in cellula in my next manuscript and see what happens ...

So, who's  with me? Or: "What? Me worry?"  Posted Image
Hi Richard...and welcome to bioforum....

Actually, if we want to be more precise, we shouldn’t forget to add a stroke or circumflex accent on the [a] in cellula (being first declension and all) to denote the ablative case ...Posted Image

As you had already mentioned, there was no official latin term for cell in the early 1600s and Robert Hooke coined the word cell from cellula but I guess, once anglicised, it already lost its original gender and likewise, why shld it follow the rules of declension? With modern day scientific writing, perhaps by chance,  many latin terms/phrases used have the o endings (esp the ablative form)  eg in vitro, de novo, in toto, in utero. So it’s not surprising why the latinised ‘in the cell’ would follow the same rule to fit in with the others or by virtue of parallel association. Besides, if we really wish to be more pedantic: in cellulā would mean ‘ in the small room’ and not ‘in the cell’…so theoretically, it's also not the perfect phrase that fits.....

Personally, a more interesting question is must we continue churning out new terms (even if pig, I mean, corrupted Latin) for something which is pretty much covered by an already existing one?

Here is a nice primer on commonly used latin terms in scientific writing:
http://online.physic...inTerms_cme.pdf


#126304 Autoclaving is my problem

Posted leelee on 02 January 2012 - 05:50 PM

When taking objects out of the autoclave, you should absolutely be wearing gloves- thick, heat resistant ones! The inside walls of the autoclave remain hot for some time and you really don't want to burn yourself on that. All it takes is a slight touch, and I've seen the results. Not pretty.


#126268 No band in PCR

Posted phage434 on 02 January 2012 - 05:53 AM

I went for a walk, and got lost.  Thank you for any help.
Seriously, what can you possibly expect as an answer?  We know nothing about what you did or want to do.


#126107 Autoclaving is my problem

Posted leelee on 28 December 2011 - 06:54 PM

Autoclaves sterilise using steam heat under high pressure, so it is natural to expect items to come out wet. Drying as others have described is perfectly acceptable and is the norm.

Your contamination issues are not caused by this wetness.

In almost all cases of tissue culture contamination, it is the poor aseptic technique of the person doing the culturing that is the problem. Given how new you are to tissue culture, and the lack of experienced staff to train you, I'd say this is the case for you.

Is there anyone in a lab nearby that could demonstrate technique to you, and then watch you do your work to check for any possible errors?

Failing that, go to the tissue culture section on this forum, and read through the posts of others who have had contamination issues, as there are many good suggestions for correct technique etc (especially from Uncle Rhombus, bob and the like...).

Also, find yourself some tutorials or resources online, where you can read about the principles of autoclaves, sterility and aseptic technique (in relation to tissue culture), as you need to fully understand what you are doing to be able to find any mistakes you are making.

Hope that helps.


#125357 Tips and FAQs about freezing and thawing cells

Posted Rute on 13 December 2011 - 03:03 AM

Sometimes the number of cells lost when bringing the cell back its not related to the freezing method but due to the thawing method. If your cells are not that resistant you should thaw them very quickly, my suggestion is thaw them by adding warm media and ressuspend rather than waiting for the vial to thaw and then use it.
Another thing that can influence is the amoutn of cells frozen. You should freeze up to 1/3 of the destination culture flask.
and change the media the day after you thaw the cells. These are some tips that reduce the amount of cells lost durin this whole process.
But everyone has their way of working.


#125348 centrifugation speed/cell prep for flow

Posted zienpiggie on 12 December 2011 - 09:34 PM

Hi science noob,

you are right, I made a mistake recalling what I did. It was fixed in 1% paraformaldehyde on ice for 1 hour, and then after washing with PBS twice was then placed in 70% ethanol and then stored at -20C overnight.

Your flow tubes are glass? Mine looks like it's made of polystyrene. My manual suggests to do my cell prep in the 12 x 75 mm test tubes as the 'polystyrene' tubes would have built up static so cells my adhere to the walls or something. But it does not specifically suggest 'glass'. In that case may be I should prep my samples in the polypropylene microfuge tubes instead then and only move it to the flow tubes on the last stage. Thanks for the suggestion.


#125168 BSA versus milk in blocking and antibody incubation

Posted mdfenko on 09 December 2011 - 01:33 PM

View Postacquire, on 08 December 2011 - 04:05 PM, said:

washes do for 10 mins each 3times after blocking,primary ab incubation and secondary ab incubation,this will reduce back ground properly this happend to me. in your case trimer your telling but  is your gel ,SDS reducing gel right? then how come trimer? have u heated sample for 5mins boiling before loading.?
i wouldn't worry about washing after blocking, especially if you prepare your primary antibody in the blocking buffer.


#124824 Contamination in negative control of PCR (No template control)

Posted leelee on 04 December 2011 - 06:47 PM

View Postlamaksha77, on 04 December 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

If it still doesn't go away, and the negative control well has only a very faint band, why not just go ahead with the rest of the experiment? You can play around with the contrast settings when capturing the image to make this band disappear if your experimental reaction has a very bright band  Posted Image

I think this is a really bad idea! You can't just ignore a +ve in your negative control, no matter how faint.
At best that is dodgy science, at worst it is academic dishonesty!


#124432 Fixed cells, sticky cells?

Posted RynDggn on 28 November 2011 - 07:42 PM

Cells are not necessarily stickier upon fixation, but cells that are already clumping together will become permanently stuck together upon fixation.  the PFA crosslinks proteins in close proximity.  Whether these are proteins on a single cell's surface, or proteins in close proximity between two different cells is of no consequence.  

Regarding the pelleting issues.  It's likely you're fixing your cells in the presence of a buffer containing protein (such as BSA or FCS).  Make sure to wash your cells with plain PBS before PFA fixation.  Just like on the cells, the PFA will crosslink proteins in the buffer making the solution denser and therefore the cells don't pellet as well.


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