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#1 Doki

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Posted 25 March 2009 - 05:40 PM

I ran across these in some blog and found the second one in the youtube. I wonder if there are other people living lives like these and personally, I would go mad if I were one of them. They are wonders (no wonder) - it is like living a whole life in some thriller movie. :P





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Posted 27 March 2009 - 12:43 PM

I ran across these in some blog and found the second one in the youtube. I wonder if there are other people living lives like these and personally, I would go mad if I were one of them. They are wonders (no wonder) - it is like living a whole life in some thriller movie. :rolleyes:





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If I am not mistaken, then there are about 30 documented reports of savants like that.
(kim peek the most famous one==> google him and be astonished, he is also the one who inspired the makers of rainman)

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 04:49 AM

If current neurobiology hypotheses are at least partially correct, some of us are scaringly close to them. The same stuff that makes us curious, creative and smart individuals, in excess leads to autistic spectrums. Considering how my memory works, and the small eccentricisms like singing quietly when concentrating, one or two wrong polymorphisms and I would find myself on the other side of normal. That creeps me out sometimes, and also fascinates me.

Edited by Telomerase, 28 March 2009 - 04:51 AM.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 08:31 AM

If current neurobiology hypotheses are at least partially correct, some of us are scaringly close to them. The same stuff that makes us curious, creative and smart individuals, in excess leads to autistic spectrums. Considering how my memory works, and the small eccentricisms like singing quietly when concentrating, one or two wrong polymorphisms and I would find myself on the other side of normal. That creeps me out sometimes, and also fascinates me.

Like you said, it's a spectral disorder and some symptoms falling esp within the very mild range are exhibited by "normal" people....the classics: social impairment i.e. they can't take cues from people and have difficulties interacting with them, they have a hard time understanding the feelings of others and can't express their own, they won't share, they're sticklers for routine (abhor changes)and exhibit repetitive behaviors..I know a lot of scientists like that..:lol:...seriously, there's been a lot of breakthroughs in the management of autism esp if started really early- mostly behavioral intervention and people affected by it still has a chance to live relatively normal lives...the savants are quite rare though...

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 09:35 AM

If I am not mistaken, then there are about 30 documented reports of savants like that.
(kim peek the most famous one==> google him and be astonished, he is also the one who inspired the makers of rainman)

Now, I have to any how watch this movie ASAP!
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 10:14 AM

If I am not mistaken, then there are about 30 documented reports of savants like that.
(kim peek the most famous one==> google him and be astonished, he is also the one who inspired the makers of rainman)

Now, I have to any how watch this movie ASAP!


But the lists of assumed to be having a savant/Asperger syndrome is almost endless, from H.C. Andersen over Einstein up to Andy Warhol....

And here is a test if you are member of the list...

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 12:34 PM

If I am not mistaken, then there are about 30 documented reports of savants like that.
(kim peek the most famous one==> google him and be astonished, he is also the one who inspired the makers of rainman)

Now, I have to any how watch this movie ASAP!


But the lists of assumed to be having a savant/Asperger syndrome is almost endless, from H.C. Andersen over Einstein up to Andy Warhol....

And here is a test if you are member of the list...

even Kant and Wittgenstein...Beethoven..Mozart..Orwell....the greatness club..
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 01:27 PM

It's quite wrong to suggest that only folk with autistic spectrum conditions et cetera can have savant skills.
But Asperger's syndrome does have a correlation with academic ability.
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 01:28 PM

If I am not mistaken, then there are about 30 documented reports of savants like that.
(kim peek the most famous one==> google him and be astonished, he is also the one who inspired the makers of rainman)

Now, I have to any how watch this movie ASAP!


But the lists of assumed to be having a savant/Asperger syndrome is almost endless, from H.C. Andersen over Einstein up to Andy Warhol....

And here is a test if you are member of the list...


I got three of them within 5 of the actual number and the other two within 10.

I do have Asperger's syndrome but I don't think it's related in this case.
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 01:50 PM

It's quite wrong to suggest that only folk with autistic spectrum conditions et cetera can have savant skills.
But Asperger's syndrome does have a correlation with academic ability.

but noone's suggesting this all inclusivity...there is a link but not all savants are autistic and definitely, not all autistic people are savants. Check this savant syndrome

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 10:02 PM

Savant and talent aren't the same. Savant has a narrow skill or skills, talents (geniuses?) like Andersen or Einstein are brilliant in a wide area. Writing is several skills at once plus wide knowledge. People you mentioned, casandra, aren't savants, but the reverse - they suck at narrow skills, while overall brilliant.
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Posted 31 March 2009 - 01:47 AM

If I am not mistaken, then there are about 30 documented reports of savants like that.
(kim peek the most famous one==> google him and be astonished, he is also the one who inspired the makers of rainman)

Now, I have to any how watch this movie ASAP!


But the lists of assumed to be having a savant/Asperger syndrome is almost endless, from H.C. Andersen over Einstein up to Andy Warhol....

And here is a test if you are member of the list...


No they are not.

The people you and casandra refer to are very smart people, they are genuis, but not a savant like example Kim Peek.

The huge difference is that the people you list are able to live a "normal" life and are "normal", the savants are always a bit "abnormal". Im not a psychologist, so I cant really explain it correctly, but there is a way to find out if someone is such a savant, and according to that deffition the people you gave are not savants.


One of the most important differences between savants and very smart people is that savants do not "link" info: they just memorize it and repeat it, but they dont see the whole picture.
Thats what genuises do: they link , they think, they build new hypotheses etc... a savant will not do that.

A savant can often memorise a whole telephone guide but will maybe not be able to look someone up without any help....



adn yeah, Nabi, you should see the movie the rainman! Great movie.


If I have some time left , I'll post some other movies about savants here, but if you just google Kim Peek, you will find some amazing movies about him , 1in particular is very very amazing: it shows Kim at some prestige university (I think oxford) and the students and profs are allowed to ask him any question and he answers it...

Another great fact about Kim: he can read a book like no one else: his left eye reads the left page and his right eye reads the right page simultaneously!!!! (==> a genuis can not do this, because they do not read a word for a word, they see the context, the whole...)

And every word he reads, he remembers it...( about 90% in total of the more than 10000 books he did read he remembers...)


PS. you might wanne check Daniel Paul Tammet too..... he is great with numbers...
(Kim Peek is the only known savant that is good in everything... most savants are good in 1 thing, Kim Peek is good in almost everything)

Edited by pito, 31 March 2009 - 02:04 AM.

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 02:10 AM

If I am not mistaken, then there are about 30 documented reports of savants like that.
(kim peek the most famous one==> google him and be astonished, he is also the one who inspired the makers of rainman)

Now, I have to any how watch this movie ASAP!


But the lists of assumed to be having a savant/Asperger syndrome is almost endless, from H.C. Andersen over Einstein up to Andy Warhol....

And here is a test if you are member of the list...


No they are not.

The people you and casandra refer to are very smart people, they are genuis, but not a savant like example Kim Peek.

The huge difference is that the people you list are able to live a "normal" life and are "normal", the savants are always a bit "abnormal". Im not a psychologist, so I cant really explain it correctly, but there is a way to find out if someone is such a savant, and according to that deffition the people you gave are not savants.


One of the most important differences between savants and very smart people is that savants do not "link" info: they just memorize it and repeat it, but they dont see the whole picture.
Thats what genuises do: they link , they think, they build new hypotheses etc... a savant will not do that.

A savant can often memorise a whole telephone guide but will maybe not be able to look someone up without any help....



adn yeah, Nabi, you should see the movie the rainman! Great movie.


If I have some time left , I'll post some other movies about savants here, but if you just google Kim Peek, you will find some amazing movies about him , 1in particular is very very amazing: it shows Kim at some prestige university (I think oxford) and the students and profs are allowed to ask him any question and he answers it...

Another great fact about Kim: he can read a book like no one else: his left eye reads the left page and his right eye reads the right page simultaneously!!!! (==> a genuis can not do this, because they do not read a word for a word, they see the context, the whole...)

And every word he reads, he remembers it...( about 90% in total of the more than 10000 books he did read he remembers...)


Actually it was my fault, I mixed up savantism and autism (though isn't Asberger syndrome a form of autism?). Anyway sorry for that.
I was referring to this list. And this list consists of people who are assumed to be affected by this syndrome, as I mentioned before. Almost all of them lived before this type of syndrome (autism/Asberger) was known and therefore it was not possible to diagnose it. I.e. it is a historical/biographical speculation. Perhaps I should have made it clearer before.

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 02:18 AM

Actually it was my fault, I mixed up savantism and autism (though isn't Asberger syndrome a form of autism?). Anyway sorry for that.
I was referring to this list. And this list consists of people who are assumed to be affected by this syndrome, as I mentioned before. Almost all of them lived before this type of syndrome (autism/Asberger) was known and therefore it was not possible to diagnose it. I.e. it is a historical/biographical speculation. Perhaps I should have made it clearer before.

Ah I see,

but still: we all have a form of autism, but not all the same way.

A real autist will not be able to function normal , while lighter form of autism is no problem.. I cant really imagine that people like Einstein were real autists.

An other thing I always wonder about is the following:

Sometimes they define autism as a sort of "living in your own world" syndrom, but arent all great minds like this?
I mean: if you are an expert on your domain, then most of the times there is no one else to chat with.. or you are so bussy with your job, so focussed on it that you create a sort of autism or personal world where you live in....

Well like said I am not a psychologist, but I find the whole savant issue very intersting and it does make me wonder about how "smart" people really can be ===> everyone can be a savant, the only difference is a small difference in the brains that causes the savantism.. and it is even possible to train on it...
The thing is: we all store information and never forget it, but only savants can refind the info because they dont link it and dont make a whole out of it nor they make a difference between important and less important... normal people do this and thats why they cant refind the info they stored in the brain.

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Posted 31 March 2009 - 02:52 AM

but still: we all have a form of autism, but not all the same way.

A real autist will not be able to function normal , while lighter form of autism is no problem.. I cant really imagine that people like Einstein were real autists.

An other thing I always wonder about is the following:

Sometimes they define autism as a sort of "living in your own world" syndrom, but arent all great minds like this?

...Well like said I am not a psychologist


You're being quite offensive.

We don't all have a form of autism. Autistic spectrum conditions are a spectrum of conditions and we are all on the spectrum but that's not the same as saying that we are all autistic. To make a comparison, sexuality is also on a spectrum but would say that everyone is homosexual?

Edited by Astilius, 31 March 2009 - 02:52 AM.

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