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#31 vetticus3

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 02:06 PM

what do you have against gay marriage? :lol: you're entitled to your opinion... i'm too tired to care what other people think today.

just know that Michael More rocks!... and in general i disagree.

my usb stick ate my homework  :P   spent all night trying to recover 200+ papers... didn't work.  i'm tired.   i have 60 minipreps to do today....   ;) maybe i'll do them tomorrow.

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 06:05 PM

Do you honestly believe that all of what Michael Moore says is the truth? :blink:

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Posted 25 October 2004 - 06:30 PM

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Do you honestly believe that all of what Michael Moore says is the truth? 

No.

Do you honestly believe that all of what Michael Moore says is not the truth?

You didn't answer my question earlier, how come you're against gay marriage?  Curiosity is getting the better of me today.

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 05:05 AM

> A president can't be private, and he certainly can't be reserved. A president is > in the business of making friends,

If that is so, Bush is doing the worst job ever at this.

This is interesting (or rather, scary):
http://www.pipa.org/...ort10_21_04.pdf

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 01:37 PM

interesting and scary!  in outfoxed they showed a comparison of what people thought of the war in iraq, wmds... pretty much like the the questions in that study... and a large number of people who watch fox news believed that there were wmd, and that they were found.  that osama and suddam were buddies.  that the world was happy that the war took place.   :blink:


N Korea compares 'idiot' Bush to Hitler;
JUNG-A SONG and ANDREW WARD. Financial Times. London (UK): Aug 24, 2004. pg. 2

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North Korea yesterday compared George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler and said it was "impossible" to hold planned talks about its nuclear weapons programme.

In a fierce statement by its foreign ministry, North Korea described the US president as an "imbecile", an "idiot" and a "man- killer".

The comments were in response to a speech by Mr Bush last week in which he described Kim Jong-il, North Korea's leader, as a "tyrant".

Pyongyang said Mr Bush's speech contained "malignant slanders and calumnies" that made it "quite impossible" for it to sit at the negotiating table with the US.


Felix Rohatyn. Wall Street Journal. (Eastern edition). New York, N.Y.: Jul 20, 2004. pg. A.10

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However, strong anti-American public opinion in their countries, as well as personal animosity among the leaders, have been an impediment. This is a sad reflection of their refusal to recognize and support American leadership. It was not always so.


Patrick Healy. Knight Ridder Tribune Business News. Washington: Jun 29, 2004. pg. 1

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Bush was showing signs of election-year desperation in reaching out to France, Germany, and other opponents of the Iraq war that some officials in his administration had kept at arm's length


Felix G. Rohatyn. New York Times. (Late Edition (East Coast)). New York, N.Y.: Jun 4, 2004. pg. A.27

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I travel to France regularly and it is one of the most beautiful countries in the world -- one that is inhabited by some of the most intelligent and, yes, complicated people in the world. On one subject, however, the French are united: they are consumed with anxiety (and curiosity) about the decline of the French-American relationship. Despite the hostility generated by the war in Iraq, they wish for the relationship to be better.


there was a poll out a couple of months ago, which asked a group of school children, i think it was in belgium to rank the worst people of all time.  sorry couldn't find it.  anyway, number one all time greatest MF was hitler, second = george w bush,  third = stalin/osama....hmmmmmm makes you wonder.

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 02:08 PM

Bush has managed to convince a lot of people here (Germany) that Americans are a bunch of trigger-happy rednecks on a mission from god.  Which is not actually positive :blink:.

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 04:44 PM

Here too (Australia).  it's sad too, because after clinton, well, america had a really different perception... not bad at all  :P .  come on, he played the sax.... and monica  :blink: .  he gave america, at least for the people who i talk too, and image like the fonz. now, well.... not so cool.

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 06:18 PM

Anyhow!!!!

Like I mentioned before, Bush is the lesser of two evils.

Bush does not support abortion :o  :)

I see this forum is full of 3 close minded retards :blink:

That is all. :P

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Posted 26 October 2004 - 11:22 PM

He may not support abortion, but his twisted "no sex before marriage" program instead of contraception has led to an increase in abortions, ending a 24 year steady decline. Go Dubya!

http://www.chron.com...outlook/2851283

It appears cynical at best to call oneself "pro-life" while at the same time sending thousands of your people to their death in a war that can't be won.
You need a different president to repair the damage done to the public image of the US, by Bush.

Everyone who doesn't share your opinion is a close-minded retard, I see. And *you* work in science?

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 06:38 AM

parasuis, on Oct 27 2004, 12:22 AM, said:

He may not support abortion, but his twisted "no sex before marriage" program instead of contraception has led to an increase in abortions, ending a 24 year steady decline. Go Dubya!

http://www.chron.com...outlook/2851283

It appears cynical at best to call oneself "pro-life" while at the same time sending thousands of your people to their death in a war that can't be won.
You need a different president to repair the damage done to the public image of the US, by Bush.

Everyone who doesn't share your opinion is a close-minded retard, I see. And *you* work in science?
Appeartly you all are god-less people here.

I swear, if the devil was runing against Bush you'd vote for him.

I take it you believe that killing innocent babies is fair and ethical? This is why I call you retarted.

It is justly wrong to take ANY humane life ESPECIALLY innocent babies.

War is one thing, killing of babies is another.

You people have no morals what so ever :o

[his twisted "no sex before marriage"] :blink:

What wrong with this?! :P

Point and case: You have no morals, no ethics, no god.

Edited by Flash_Bulb, 27 October 2004 - 06:40 AM.


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Posted 27 October 2004 - 06:53 AM

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I take it you believe that killing innocent babies is fair and ethical? This is why I call you retarted.

"Retarted", eh? You could at least spell your insults right.

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War is one thing, killing of babies is another.

It's so easy to tweak things so that they fit within a limited horizon.

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[his twisted "no sex before marriage"] blink.gif

What wrong with this?! huh.gif

That it's used instead of proper education.

It's no use to discuss these matters with a religious fanatic, therefore: EOD.

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 01:11 PM

parasuis, on Oct 27 2004, 07:53 AM, said:

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I take it you believe that killing innocent babies is fair and ethical? This is why I call you retarted.

"Retarted", eh? You could at least spell your insults right.

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War is one thing, killing of babies is another.

It's so easy to tweak things so that they fit within a limited horizon.

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[his twisted "no sex before marriage"] blink.gif

What wrong with this?! huh.gif

That it's used instead of proper education.

It's no use to discuss these matters with a religious fanatic, therefore: EOD.
Religious fanatic? :lol:

Does it hurt to believe in God?

Edit: "no use to discuss these matters with a religious fanatic"? Sounds like the typical democrat  :P

Edited by Flash_Bulb, 27 October 2004 - 01:14 PM.


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Posted 27 October 2004 - 01:18 PM

i'm a republican :lol:

I understand what flash_blub is saying.

btw, flash, keep your spelling in check :P

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Posted 27 October 2004 - 01:52 PM

OKAAAYYY... something seems to have blown up out of proportion here.

Dave, you can’t call someone a retard.  Firstly, it’s rude.  You’re taking a disability and turning it into an insult.  Take it back immediately.  

Dave, you set this topic up as a debate, and now you start verbally attacking those who disagree with your point of view?  Pull your head in. Not everyone thinks like you… that’s why there are discussions, to understand other people’s opinions.  Not necessarily to accept them, but to hear them and accept that the world is not made up of just you.  

Dave, no one here has said what type of religion they belong to.  I have made a point of not liking really religious people, and further explained what I meant by this statement …. Yet I have not said what particular faith I belong to.  No one in this topic has.  Claiming that the people who have responded to your topic are all “god-less” is just not on.  You have no evidence to base your claim on.  You take that back and you apologize for making such a sweeping accusation.

Something you should know, I’m a bioethics tutor at a university.  Abortion is a topic that people are very passionate about… on both sides of the debate.  Name calling is not a way to promote your point of view on this topic.  You’re prolife, woopy for you.  You’re prochoice, woopy for you.  Don’t start slapping each other because of it.  Accept that people will disagree with you, if you have a valid to point to make, then make it.  Act mature, don’t call each other names.  Furthermore, I haven’t seen any post saying that someone is prochoice….  What I have seen are posts arguing the seemingly contradictory position Bush has taken in regards to life. Being prolife and being pro-war is a position that people will not accept easily.  With the idea that being prolife is to preserve a life at all costs, for some people this ideal follows through to the entire lifespan, not just during conception and gestation.  This is why people often don’t like wars.  Dave, accept that people will disagree with you, your life will be much easier.

War is one thing, killing babies is another.  I’m assuming that this is still on the topic of abortion.  Yes, war is different to abortion.  Killing babies is also different to abortion.  Read above.  People usually don’t like war.  People especially don’t like this war… did you see world wide protests.  Also,   I have yet to meet someone who looks forward to having an abortion.  I have issues with people liking these two topics together.  One involves a personal decision that affects their life.  The other is a public decision that effects countries, millions of people.  

No morals whatsoever?  Once again, what are you basing this on?  Do you even know what the difference is between morals and ethics?  Morals are personal, they reflect an individuals own understanding of what they consider acceptable in the world.  Ethics are more far out reaching.  Calling someone one amoral just because they don’t see the world in the same way you do, Dave,  is not very nice.  You should apologize for this as well.  

This was supposed to be an open discussion on the American election.  Keep it that way.
If the devil were running in the election, well, I’m sure he’d have a pretty good tax package and a great new health care scheme.  But he’s not, so we’re discussing Bush and Kerry… and potentially the other people running the election, and I don’t know they’re names, so ...yeah anyway.  Close minded, NOOOOOO. Just because I haven’t turned around and said, “Oh you’re so right, Bush is sooo lovely,” does not mean I’m close minded.  Does not mean anyone on this forum is close minded.  Also, Devil is not one of the names on the ballot sheet.  

Reading Dave’s posts have given me the impression that he’s religious.  Fine.  I wouldn’t have called him a religious fanatic.  He’s just probush, which is fine.  He’s been sort of arguing why he’s proBush… mainly by pointing out Kerry’s faults, but that’s fine too. He’s prolife, Fine.  He’s anti-gay marriage, well lots of people are.  He hasn’t explained why he thinks this, but that’s fine too.  It’s his life, he has to live it… not me.  It’s his decision.  Until the last few posts, I was enjoying this topic.  It was interesting.  Dave has not pushed his religion on anyone, as far as I can tell.  I think Dave is not a fanatic, but I don’t know him well enough to be sure.  I think that that was uncalled for… once again name calling is not very nice.

If you haven’t been bothered to read all of the above, sorry it’s so long.   1.  Don’t call people names.  2.  This is a discussion topic, not a wrestling ring.

Vetticus

Edited by vetticus3, 27 October 2004 - 03:57 PM.


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Posted 28 October 2004 - 12:59 PM

vetticus3, on Oct 27 2004, 02:52 PM, said:

OKAAAYYY... something seems to have blown up out of proportion here.

Dave, you can’t call someone a retard.  Firstly, it’s rude.  You’re taking a disability and turning it into an insult.  Take it back immediately. 

Dave, you set this topic up as a debate, and now you start verbally attacking those who disagree with your point of view?  Pull your head in. Not everyone thinks like you… that’s why there are discussions, to understand other people’s opinions.  Not necessarily to accept them, but to hear them and accept that the world is not made up of just you. 

Dave, no one here has said what type of religion they belong to.  I have made a point of not liking really religious people, and further explained what I meant by this statement …. Yet I have not said what particular faith I belong to.  No one in this topic has.  Claiming that the people who have responded to your topic are all “god-less” is just not on.  You have no evidence to base your claim on.  You take that back and you apologize for making such a sweeping accusation.

Something you should know, I’m a bioethics tutor at a university.  Abortion is a topic that people are very passionate about… on both sides of the debate.  Name calling is not a way to promote your point of view on this topic.  You’re prolife, woopy for you.  You’re prochoice, woopy for you.  Don’t start slapping each other because of it.  Accept that people will disagree with you, if you have a valid to point to make, then make it.  Act mature, don’t call each other names.  Furthermore, I haven’t seen any post saying that someone is prochoice….  What I have seen are posts arguing the seemingly contradictory position Bush has taken in regards to life. Being prolife and being pro-war is a position that people will not accept easily.  With the idea that being prolife is to preserve a life at all costs, for some people this ideal follows through to the entire lifespan, not just during conception and gestation.  This is why people often don’t like wars.  Dave, accept that people will disagree with you, your life will be much easier.

War is one thing, killing babies is another.  I’m assuming that this is still on the topic of abortion.  Yes, war is different to abortion.  Killing babies is also different to abortion.  Read above.  People usually don’t like war.  People especially don’t like this war… did you see world wide protests.  Also,   I have yet to meet someone who looks forward to having an abortion.  I have issues with people liking these two topics together.  One involves a personal decision that affects their life.  The other is a public decision that effects countries, millions of people. 

No morals whatsoever?  Once again, what are you basing this on?  Do you even know what the difference is between morals and ethics?  Morals are personal, they reflect an individuals own understanding of what they consider acceptable in the world.  Ethics are more far out reaching.  Calling someone one amoral just because they don’t see the world in the same way you do, Dave,  is not very nice.  You should apologize for this as well. 

This was supposed to be an open discussion on the American election.  Keep it that way.
If the devil were running in the election, well, I’m sure he’d have a pretty good tax package and a great new health care scheme.  But he’s not, so we’re discussing Bush and Kerry… and potentially the other people running the election, and I don’t know they’re names, so ...yeah anyway.  Close minded, NOOOOOO. Just because I haven’t turned around and said, “Oh you’re so right, Bush is sooo lovely,” does not mean I’m close minded.  Does not mean anyone on this forum is close minded.  Also, Devil is not one of the names on the ballot sheet. 

Reading Dave’s posts have given me the impression that he’s religious.  Fine.  I wouldn’t have called him a religious fanatic.  He’s just probush, which is fine.  He’s been sort of arguing why he’s proBush… mainly by pointing out Kerry’s faults, but that’s fine too. He’s prolife, Fine.  He’s anti-gay marriage, well lots of people are.  He hasn’t explained why he thinks this, but that’s fine too.  It’s his life, he has to live it… not me.  It’s his decision.  Until the last few posts, I was enjoying this topic.  It was interesting.  Dave has not pushed his religion on anyone, as far as I can tell.  I think Dave is not a fanatic, but I don’t know him well enough to be sure.  I think that that was uncalled for… once again name calling is not very nice.

If you haven’t been bothered to read all of the above, sorry it’s so long.   1.  Don’t call people names.  2.  This is a discussion topic, not a wrestling ring.

Vetticus
Nicely put :lol:

I will actually agree with you on this :P




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