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### #1 surgeongirl

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 08:09 AM

But look at the man. He is something more.  He is X and Y.  That means, he is essentially an ‘X ’plus something extra. What do I mean by that! Man is already a woman that is ‘X’, plus something extra.  Does that mean first step towards manhood is womanhood? Now let’s talk in mathematical language. Here is the equation,   Man = 22 autosomes + X + Y Woman= 22 autosomes + X + X= 22 autsomes + X (by logic not by mathematics). . .  Man= (22 autosomes + X) + Y= Woman + Y (by mathematics, simply) So man is everything that woman is, plus something extra.  Now the extra thing is not qualitatively different, but quantitatively. Hence Y here must be somewhat like X + 1, X+2 or X+ 3 or something like that. It would be one day proven that woman can potentially grow into man. Similarly man can reduce to woman, if he loses some part of ‘Y’.

Moved, as these are not real biology bob.

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 02:24 PM

I suggest you work on both your mathematics and biology...

### #3 surgeongirl

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Posted 07 September 2013 - 10:04 PM

I suggest you work on both your mathematics and biology...

If its possible in animals can it be in humans

"Some species, such as some snails, practice sex change: adults start out male, then become female (See also sex reversal). In tropical clown fish, the dominant individual in a group becomes female while the other ones are male, and bluehead wrasses (Thalassoma bifasciatum) are the reverse. In the marine worm (Bonellia viridis), larvae become males if they make physical contact with a female, and females if they end up on the bare sea floor. This is triggered by the presence of a chemical produced by the females, bonellin. Some species, however, have no sex-determination system. Hermaphrodites include the common earthworm and certain species of snails. A few species of fish, reptiles, and insects reproduce by parthenogenesis and are female altogether. There are some reptiles, such as the boa constrictor and komodo dragon that can reproduce sexually and asexually, depending if a mate is available"(OR amphibians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibian and some fish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishwhich are known to be able to change their gender. and again http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex-determi...lodiploidy)

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 01:37 AM

It does - see sexual reassignment... doesn't work fully though.

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Posted 08 September 2013 - 03:09 AM

I think the point is that all the examples from animal species you quote, these don't have an XX/XY-sex-determination system but others: there e.g. hormones, temperature, age etc determine the sex, i.e. the activity of genes on other chromosomes is influenced by this factors and XX/XY chromosomes are not there.

And btw as you quote wikipedia a lot: Can you show how your mathematics work for XX/X0, W/X/Y or haplo-diploid sex-determination systems (just to mention a few different ones)?

Edited by hobglobin, 08 September 2013 - 03:10 AM.

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Posted 09 September 2013 - 09:07 PM

It would be one day proven that woman can potentially grow into man. Similarly man can reduce to woman, if he loses some part of ‘Y’.

Genetic abnormalities do cause male look like female or female to male or mixed. What is significance of your argument? are you intending clinical significance? or just for fun?

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:51 AM

not just for fun.

I happen to read the book which I am not authorized to comment upon.

Just wanted to put in front of experts... before i make my opinion

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:12 AM

not just for fun.

I happen to read the book which I am not authorized to comment upon.

Just wanted to put in front of experts... before i make my opinion

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 07:53 PM

Learning is an endless procedure ,......I am sorry if it hurts when i say this.....science is in complete without religion...................

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 08:08 AM

Learning is an endless procedure ,......I am sorry if it hurts when i say this.....science is in complete without religion...................

well then share what you have learnt

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### #11 surgeongirl

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 11:00 AM

What i feel is the science and religion requires exactly opposite nature. For science to progress you need to doubt everything, Experiment and arrive at a conclusion again dont accept it fully so that there is room for progress. In religion you have to believe in spite of evidence to contrary That is called faith.

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:12 AM

Science too is based on faith system only its guarded, in religion its blind faith. I will prefer to see my faith materialised.

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 05:05 AM

guarded faith- doubt...?

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 07:32 AM

A tomato tree is growing . Its not male or female. Its just a tree. Letz call it male. Now the season change .The flowers are ripening into red tomatoes. The tree itself feel different from within . The structure is same only the feelings are different . Its blushing like a woman. But wait . Its not going to last like this. Soon the tomatoes will fall.Aloha its a male again,(ref. Man is the extension of woman)

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 07:54 AM

Tomatoes are annual or biennial plants (in it's original location perennial) not trees. The flowers are "perfect" flowers having both Androecium and Gynoecium (capable of self-fertilisation).

And finally you will find flowers, ripening and ripe fruits at the same time on a plant and continuously, they don't ripe all at the same time and fall off then (see).

One must presume that long and short arguments contribute to the same end. - Epicurus
...except casandra's that belong to the funniest, most interesting and imaginative (or over-imaginative?) ones, I suppose.

That is....if she posts at all.