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[desertrose]

Finally the PI called again ,he said the fund transfer was done and he is ready to hire me also another colleague(female) is working with him called me to arrange the details with me.
How can I discuss with them that Iam not ready to do any work in  my current  lab(i.e collaboration between the 2 labs)?I need to leave my current work forever.
Please refer to my previous 2 posts to understand the problem
thanks in advance

[casandra]

desertrose, on 06 April 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

Finally the PI called again ,he said the fund transfer was done and he is ready to hire me also another colleague(female) is working with him called me to arrange the details with me.
How can I discuss with them that Iam not ready to do any work in  my current  lab(i.e collaboration between the 2 labs)?I need to leave my current work forever.
Please refer to my previous 2 posts to understand the problem
thanks in advance

Will you be hired as staff or are you getting into the PhD program? And is this hiring by the new PI contingent on this collaboration with your current PI? If you have issues about staying there, then, you can discuss this with them and be firm about it.  Although perhaps, one of the reasons why he is hiring you is bec you have access to your current lab. Anyways, just don't allow yourself to be coerced into accepting or signing an agreement or contract which doesn't feel 'right' to you from the start.

[desertrose]

I don't think this is the only reason for hiring because one of my labmates applied for the same position at the same time but he ignored her CV and he didn't call her at all.

[casandra]

desertrose, on 06 April 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

I don't think this is the only reason for hiring because one of my labmates applied for the same position at the same time but he ignored her CV and he didn't call her at all.

ok, if that is not a reason, then it's an advantage for you. You can negotiate that you would work for him but in his own lab and if he really wants to hire you, then he should be ok with this. But prepared for his questions though of why you don't want to work in your current lab anymore.

[desertrose]

I'm still confused I think he is looking for the maximum benefit

[casandra]

desertrose, on 06 April 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

I'm still confused I think he is looking for the maximum benefit

Of course he would or who wouldn't? He is a new PI so he is very motivated to produce good work and hopefully get good funding..it's his lifeline. But You have to ask yourself if you would like to work for him and you should decide based on what would be best for yourself and your career. Btw, it's normal to be confused ...it's the next step for you and you want to make the best decision.

[desertrose]

Thanks for help

[casandra]

desertrose, on 06 April 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Thanks for help

You're welcome and goodluck...

[pito]

desertrose, on 06 April 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

I don't think this is the only reason for hiring because one of my labmates applied for the same position at the same time but he ignored her CV and he didn't call her at all.

I still dont get it.
You are also very vague.

Are you or not, going to do a PhD then? (when accepting his offer).

It seems that you are still not sure what you are going to do or what they expect from you...

[desertrose]

pito, on 06 April 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

desertrose, on 06 April 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

I don't think this is the only reason for hiring because one of my labmates applied for the same position at the same time but he ignored her CV and he didn't call her at all.

I still dont get it.
You are also very vague.

Are you or not, going to do a PhD then? (when accepting his offer).

It seems that you are still not sure what you are going to do or what they expect from you...

Iam expecting to do my Phd,I know It seems that I'm a very hesitated person but this is because I had my worst experience during my Msc program

[desertrose]

Sometimes I think I should  leave the academic job to another job

Edited by desertrose, 06 April 2012 - 09:12 PM.

[pito]

desertrose, on 06 April 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

pito, on 06 April 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

desertrose, on 06 April 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

I don't think this is the only reason for hiring because one of my labmates applied for the same position at the same time but he ignored her CV and he didn't call her at all.

I still dont get it.
You are also very vague.

Are you or not, going to do a PhD then? (when accepting his offer).

It seems that you are still not sure what you are going to do or what they expect from you...

Iam expecting to do my Phd,I know It seems that I'm a very hesitated person but this is because I had my worst experience during my Msc program

So you are expecting to do a PhD.. Well then, its simple: do you want to do that PhD or not?

To be honest: its normal to have doubts, but having too much doubts and wanting to quit "the academic world" even before you start... thats not good.. However (and this is important!!!!) ===> do you want to quit the academic (research) world because you had enough with research or because you had a bad PI in the past.
If it is because of the first, then dont start the PhD and get another job... and do it fast...because you wont last long.

If it is because of the bad PI: I dont see why you have doubts.. Its not because you had one idiot working with you, that everyone is an idiot...

[desertrose]

Thanks Pito I will call his assistant and discuss the details with her

[desertrose]

Inspite of the difficulties Iam facing in my current lab.,I feel very attached to the place and it will be very hard for me to move(I think Iam a fool)

[casandra]

desertrose, on 07 April 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

Inspite of the difficulties Iam facing in my current lab.,I feel very attached to the place and it will be very hard for me to move(I think Iam a fool)

well, there is a saying, "better the devil you know than the devil you don't" so it's natural to feel anxiety when you take a risk with something or someone you're unfamiliar with even if your current circumstance is not ideal....

btw, and this is very relevant since you are considering to get into the PhD program....what about your PhD project? This shld weigh in equally in your decision as well. Is it going to be one of those fishing expeditions that you may not have results after labouring for three years? Do you have all the necessary tools and equipment to do your work or would you go knocking on every door asking permission to use theirs? And what about supervision? Is there anybody who can guide you esp during the initial period or who'd help you if you get stuck? Would this new PI be available for consultation etc.

Edited by casandra, 07 April 2012 - 09:23 AM.