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#1 lab rat

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 08:15 PM

Hi all,

This topic caught my attention today, and I thought I would ask the wider community their thoughts.

Today's speaker talked about her research in lady beetles, and evaluating different diets for these beetles. She found that the "best" diet of aphids gave her a ratio of 30% female, 70% male from the viable eggs. (I even asked her after the talk if I understood her correctly.)

She didn't do any additional research into this, but is aware of other studies that found skewed ratios attributable to diet/nutrition or maternally-inherited cytoplasmic factors. I did some looking and found info on spirochete infection and selective death of males that shifted to population to female and this paper(Matsuka et al.).

What do you think could be influencing the shift to male in this population?

Edited by lab rat, 28 April 2011 - 08:16 PM.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 08:53 PM

Female Aphids are capable of parthenogenesis (only daughters produced) so perhaps the eggs are largely male so that the population can balance out.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 01:28 AM

I dont know a lot about this, but this is an intersting topic.

And I think its not weird at all there are factors influencing the male/female ratio. Take for example turtles: the male/female ratio in influenced by a small thing as temperature...

An other examples: there are bacteria out there "killing" male insects... and influencing the male/female ratio so that there are almost no males left... (as you allready mentioned)

Or what about the fact that some pesticides/herbicides also influence the male/female ratio.. (there are some pesticides out there killing males.. and not females for example)

And many other examples...

So I can imagine there is a influence of the diet.
(or maybe because a factor giving with the diet: example a chemical that is in/on the food for example...?)

Or maybe its just because of the male killing bacteria that the beetles start producing more males.
(check http://www.nature.co...l/6887100a.html, I can imagine that the beetles adapt and start making more males, we dont know how she did the experiment? Maybe she had infections or started with beetles that were allready adapted to the male killing? Did she use the same beetles for the different diets for example? or did she use different beetles for each diet? This can influence the results I think... and the diet itself: maybe the "best" diet is a diet that causes stress/malnutrition or something else that shifts the ratio?)




And to end my post, you might want to check the following papers:

Hodek I, Ceryngier P. 2000. Sexual activity in Coccinellidae (Coleoptera): A review. European Journal of
Entomology 97:449/456.
Osawa N. 2001. The effect of hibernation on the seasonal variations in adult body size and sex ratio of the
polymorphic ladybird beetle Harmonia axyridis : the role of thermal melanism. Acta Societatis Zoologicae
Bohemicae 65:269/278.
Osawa N. 2002. Sex-dependent effects of sibling cannibalism on life history traits of the ladybird beetle
Harmonia axyridis (Coleoptera: Coccinellidae). Biological Journal of the Linnean Society 76:349/360.
Gotoh T, Niijima K. 1986. Characteristic agent(s) of abnormal sex ratio (SR) in two aphidophagous
coccinellid species. In: Hodek I, editor. Ecology of Aphidophaga. Prague & Dordrecht: Academia & Dr
W. Junk. pp 545/550.
Gotoh T. 1982. Experimental transfer of abnormal ‘‘sex ratio’’ in the lady-bird beetle, Harmonia axyridis
(Pallas) (Coleoptera: Coccinellidae). Applied Entomology and Zoology 17:319/324.
George E. Heimpel and Jonathan G. Lundgren 2000, Sex Ratios of Commercially Reared Biological Control Agents. Biological Control Volume 19, Issue 1, September 2000, Pages 77-93

Or maybe even this one (links food with the act of sex): Mating refusal and its significance in females of the ladybird beetle, Harmonia axyridis by SHOHKO OBATA , Physiological Entomology
Volume 13, Issue 2, pages 193–199, June 1988)

Edited by pito, 29 April 2011 - 01:43 AM.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 02:16 AM

Female Aphids are capable of parthenogenesis (only daughters produced) so perhaps the eggs are largely male so that the population can balance out.

But this is alternation of generations. During summer only females are produced by parthenogenesis. Males appear only in autumn to fertilise the winter eggs in holocyclic populations. I.e. eggs are also only produced for overwintering (more cold hardy), and females emerge then in spring for anholocyclic summer population development (parthenogenetically).

But that was anyway not the question. If I remember right there can be a quite large size difference between male and female Coccinelids. Changing sex rations were then related to available food for larvae, with favouring smaller males when food is scarce. But also other external factors as mentioned by pito play their role of course. I'm not sure if Wolbachia infections occur in ladybeetles, but why not?

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Posted 10 May 2011 - 06:38 PM

An interesting topic, indeed. I talked to the speaker, who said that her advisor didn't let her investigate any of those options. She wanted to do nutritional analysis on the aphids, but since no one on her committee had any "molecular" experience, she wasn't allowed to do it. (We couldn't figure that out either.) She didn't note any sex-specific consumption of the different aphid species provided to her colony. She did note, however, that the introduced aphid was the best diet for the native ladybeetles.

Thanks for the papers Pito.
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