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#1 Ameya P

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:51 PM

I am trying to carry out this multiplex reaction using Allele specific primers. I dont think there are issues with primer design, cause I get bands and the primers are from this published paper(I can send the paper to anyone who is interested). For a heterozygote sample,I must get two bands one at ~250bp and the other at ~500bp. The Polymerase used in the study is not good at amplifying longer fragments, but the one I am using is, so at times I also get this added product of ~750bp.

My main aim was to get rid of the unspecific band, which I tried using higher annealing temperatures and lowering extension temperatures. Although, I got rid of the unspecific band (I slept over it for a while, cause I was doing other things), the reaction conditions which were working well then, have now also caused the disappearance of the ~500 bp band. So, I am getting only one band where I should get two and dont quite know what to do next, cause the changes I will now make, will take me back to where I started from (start getting unspecific band).

Basically, what I am looking for are ideas to strangle a good polymerase, so that is does produces a ~500bp product, but not ~750bp product.


Current annealing temperature is 63oC for 30secs (at 64, annealing is poor, gives no bands). Extension temp is 70 for 25 s (at 72, unspecific bands, 66, 68- no 500bp product). Extension time of 20 s does not give proper bands either.

Thanks for your help :)

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 02:21 AM

Most polymerases polymerise at a rate of 1000bases/minute. Therefore, I would change the extension time to at least 35-40seconds. I hope this helps.

Good luck.

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Posted 28 January 2011 - 11:49 AM

Did you check the primer sequences? Many articles contain errors. If the primers are OK and you use the published conditions unsuccesfully, then I'd try to contact the co-authors of the article to ask them if they ever had similar issues.
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 03:01 AM

Hi gt_ameya,
I guess you had tried on the DMSO, BSA or Betaine addictive, the increase buffer strength and/or Mg2+ concentration etc...... but it didn't work right?
Check the ramp rate of the thermal cycler used by the paper and compare with yours. I had worked on a multiplex PCR which will only work in a specific ramp rate.

Adrian.

p/s: no absolute guarantees I might able to help, but I do interested in the paper you are referring. Mind to pm me?
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Posted 30 January 2011 - 10:09 PM

Thanks for you responses...


Maddie: I think the primer sequences are right. purely because I am getting bands in the right places. The published paper shows weak/ very weak bands. But I get a few unspecific bands as well. I think even if I contact the authors, they will say, use the polymerase we used and you should get what we got. I dont want to buy a polymerase for a single reaction.

Dimitris: I think I'll try doing what you have said.

Adrian: Actually, I have NOT used any PCR enhancers so far. Actually, since I started working here, I have not used any PCR enhancers, we use human DNA, so there is always a good PCR product. I shall look into the ramp rate. Anyways, see your pm... and let me know if you have something else to add..

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Posted 31 January 2011 - 04:20 AM

Hi gt_ameya,
After I had look into the paper, I feel that this is most probably due to the ramping rate as I suspected earlier: they also mentioned in page 7 "application to other thermal cyclers may require further optimization since different reaction vessels and heating/cooling methods can dramatically change the dynamics of a PCR.". They are using MJ thermalcycler which is a very old thermalcycler, and the "HS TAQUANT-OFF" in the PCR master mixed indicates that it is some sort of hot-start antibody/reagent.

HS TAQUANT-OFF

As you had mentioned earlier, their polymerase is not good in amplifying large fragments. I try to check about the composition of their 10X taq buffer but I couldn't get. I suspect maybe you can try to increase your Taq Buffer to see if it helps in your reaction.

Hope this help.
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Posted 03 February 2011 - 02:49 AM

Feedback on my PCR:

After three days and doing absolutely nothing.... different, rather not even setting up another PCR, I got the desired result.

How????

Well, from the PCR I had set up before posting my problems here, there was one sample which i had not loaded onto the gel (too many samples for my gel). I ran it yesterday and Viola!!!! it had worked...

Yes, That makes it less reproducible... but I will work on your suggestions and see if I can make it work...

Adrian: Sorry, I had not seen your last post until today...

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