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Posted 31 January 2010 - 08:47 AM
One must presume that long and short arguments contribute to the same end. - Epicurus
...except casandra's that belong to the funniest, most interesting and imaginative (or over-imaginative?) ones, I suppose.
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 07:34 AM
lol
I really dont understand people that are anti-animal testing...
I can understand that if there are alternatives, you should use them... but heck: do they really want that all medicin etc is tested on humans?
I really dont understand people that are anti-animal testing...
I can understand that if there are alternatives, you should use them... but heck: do they really want that all medicin etc is tested on humans?
If you don't know it, then ask it! Better to ask and look foolish to some then not ask and stay stupid.
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Posted 14 June 2010 - 03:58 PM
LOL...
True enough. Same thing happen in Malaysia.
http://thestar.com.m...=...&sec=nation
They can protest animal testing, without knowing many drugs and medicine they used in their medication were animal tested.
They should have stop their children getting into University as well, this is because usually universities does equipped with animal testing lab.....LOL... petiton for anti-university, anti-postgrads???
Okey, did they suggest alternatives rather than just protest?
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True enough. Same thing happen in Malaysia.
http://thestar.com.m...=...&sec=nation
They can protest animal testing, without knowing many drugs and medicine they used in their medication were animal tested.
They should have stop their children getting into University as well, this is because usually universities does equipped with animal testing lab.....LOL... petiton for anti-university, anti-postgrads???
Okey, did they suggest alternatives rather than just protest?
LOL
Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person is like expecting the lion not to attack you because you are a vegetarian.
..."best of our knowledge, as far as we know this had never been reported before, though I can't possible read all the published journals on earth, but by perform thorough search in google, the keywords did not match any documents"...
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..."best of our knowledge, as far as we know this had never been reported before, though I can't possible read all the published journals on earth, but by perform thorough search in google, the keywords did not match any documents"...
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:46 AM
HomeBrew, on Jun 15 2010, 02:25 AM, said:
I think you guys should read the disclaimer on the IRA site...
Anyway: I am sure there are websites like that without this kind of disclaimer.. and thats just sad.
If you don't know it, then ask it! Better to ask and look foolish to some then not ask and stay stupid.
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 10:56 AM
of course it's parody...and some or many of the "real" animal rights activists are imo "reality satires" and their actions too (and some even more harmful to animals than any experiment).
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
One must presume that long and short arguments contribute to the same end. - Epicurus
...except casandra's that belong to the funniest, most interesting and imaginative (or over-imaginative?) ones, I suppose.
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 12:57 PM
hobglobin, on Jun 16 2010, 02:56 PM, said:
of course it's parody...and some or many of the "real" animal rights activists are imo "reality satires" and their actions too (and some even more harmful to animals than any experiment).
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
...and insects feeling pain? I thought that there's a general consensus among scientists that they don't ....that's why they are not protected by legislature....
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 01:09 PM
casandra, on Jun 16 2010, 10:57 PM, said:
hobglobin, on Jun 16 2010, 02:56 PM, said:
of course it's parody...and some or many of the "real" animal rights activists are imo "reality satires" and their actions too (and some even more harmful to animals than any experiment).
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
...and insects feeling pain? I thought that there's a general consensus among scientists that they don't ....that's why they are not protected by legislature....
and I guess more or less all animals feel pain...
IMO the question is how they realise it i.e. if it's a unpleasant, annoying feeling (as we consider/feel it) or if it's just an information like e.g. a cold temperature perception...but this is a neuro-physiological and philosophical question...
One must presume that long and short arguments contribute to the same end. - Epicurus
...except casandra's that belong to the funniest, most interesting and imaginative (or over-imaginative?) ones, I suppose.
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 01:14 PM
hobglobin, on Jun 16 2010, 05:09 PM, said:
casandra, on Jun 16 2010, 10:57 PM, said:
hobglobin, on Jun 16 2010, 02:56 PM, said:
of course it's parody...and some or many of the "real" animal rights activists are imo "reality satires" and their actions too (and some even more harmful to animals than any experiment).
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
...and insects feeling pain? I thought that there's a general consensus among scientists that they don't ....that's why they are not protected by legislature.... and I guess more or less all animals feel pain...
IMO the question is how they realise it i.e. if it's a unpleasant, annoying feeling (as we consider/feel it) or if it's just an information like e.g. a cold temperature perception...but this is a neuro-physiological and philosophical question...
...we can make it one.....ok then...what do you think of this?
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Posted 16 June 2010 - 01:33 PM
casandra, on Jun 16 2010, 11:14 PM, said:
hobglobin, on Jun 16 2010, 05:09 PM, said:
casandra, on Jun 16 2010, 10:57 PM, said:
hobglobin, on Jun 16 2010, 02:56 PM, said:
of course it's parody...and some or many of the "real" animal rights activists are imo "reality satires" and their actions too (and some even more harmful to animals than any experiment).
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
Anyway, for an entomologist it's interesting that only vertebrates (according to laws), and often only cute vertebrates (for animal rights activists) are debated and meant...I'm quite sure that insects (or worms, or crustaceans, or molluscs, or...) also feel pain.
...and insects feeling pain? I thought that there's a general consensus among scientists that they don't ....that's why they are not protected by legislature.... and I guess more or less all animals feel pain...
IMO the question is how they realise it i.e. if it's a unpleasant, annoying feeling (as we consider/feel it) or if it's just an information like e.g. a cold temperature perception...but this is a neuro-physiological and philosophical question...
...we can make it one.....ok then...what do you think of this?One must presume that long and short arguments contribute to the same end. - Epicurus
...except casandra's that belong to the funniest, most interesting and imaginative (or over-imaginative?) ones, I suppose.
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Posted 17 June 2010 - 08:41 PM
hobglobin, on Jun 17 2010, 05:33 AM, said:
will read it later...but I forgot it's not only pain, but the "right to live" etc, some activists want to concede to all animals...but then why not all organisms anyway?
Dr H, I agree with you.
Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are a good person is like expecting the lion not to attack you because you are a vegetarian.
..."best of our knowledge, as far as we know this had never been reported before, though I can't possible read all the published journals on earth, but by perform thorough search in google, the keywords did not match any documents"...
"what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"---Goddess Casandra reminds me to be strong
"It's all just DNA. Do it."---phage434
..."best of our knowledge, as far as we know this had never been reported before, though I can't possible read all the published journals on earth, but by perform thorough search in google, the keywords did not match any documents"...
"what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger"---Goddess Casandra reminds me to be strong
"It's all just DNA. Do it."---phage434
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Posted 25 June 2010 - 06:27 AM
This reminds me one exam I once had. It started by asking us to read the whole thing first and then answer the questions. This was followed by a long series of very difficult questions. Of course the last one was "You only need to answer this last question". It was the subject for a dissertation and you really needed the 2 hours you had.
Theory is when we know everything and nothing is working. Practice is when everything is working and nobody knows why. Here, we combine theory and practice. Nothing is working and nobody knows why.
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Posted 02 July 2010 - 10:16 AM
Maddie, on Jun 25 2010, 04:27 PM, said:
This reminds me one exam I once had. It started by asking us to read the whole thing first and then answer the questions. This was followed by a long series of very difficult questions. Of course the last one was "You only need to answer this last question". It was the subject for a dissertation and you really needed the 2 hours you had.
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so how can you answer this?I have some other funny examples too about questions, but maybe we should open a new topic on this
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Posted 22 July 2010 - 09:11 AM
oh oui oui
Theory is when we know everything and nothing is working. Practice is when everything is working and nobody knows why. Here, we combine theory and practice. Nothing is working and nobody knows why.
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