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Posted 10 November 2009 - 12:39 AM

I get good results with PCR but use same primers for RTPCR i get no results. what all could go wrong.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 01:25 AM

I get good results with PCR but use same primers for RTPCR i get no results. what all could go wrong.

Thanks in advance for your help.


Hi, there could be something wrong with ur cDNA....have u checked with control primers? Also, if transcript was v. low to begin with, u might hv to use more of the template....It would be nice if you could give in more details..

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 01:34 AM

I get good results with PCR but use same primers for RTPCR i get no results. what all could go wrong.

Thanks in advance for your help.


Hey, think of the differences between PCR and RT-PCR and you'll get step closer to find out what's wrong:

1. How do you prepare your RNA? Is it good enough? Is there enough?
2. How do you prepare your cDNA? Is the RT reaction efficient enough?
3. How are your primers design? Should they really work on cDNA?
4. Are you using enough/too much cDNA on your PCR?
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Posted 10 November 2009 - 08:05 AM

It could be that one or both of your primer sequences hybridizes an intron, or a spliced exon, that is not present in the transcript.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 05:27 PM

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Hi, there could be something wrong with ur cDNA....have u checked with control primers? Also, if transcript was v. low to begin with, u might hv to use more of the template....It would be nice if you could give in more details..
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my primers are good as well as my RNA as other lab use the same and get result (but they use different reagent kit). I use Qiagen. RNA quantity I start with is around 270ng for a 25Ál reaction.

B) wondering what is going wrong.

I am sure reagents are good. Only they are not amplifying this set of RNA and primers. They are good for others.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 05:29 PM

It could be that one or both of your primer sequences hybridizes an intron, or a spliced exon, that is not present in the transcript.


jah please consider me a beginner in molecular biology and explain in simple terms what you mean.

I know an intron, i also know what exon is , by transcript do you refer to RNA???

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 05:35 PM

Hey, think of the differences between PCR and RT-PCR and you'll get step closer to find out what's wrong:

1. How do you prepare your RNA? Is it good enough? Is there enough?
2. How do you prepare your cDNA? Is the RT reaction efficient enough?
3. How are your primers design? Should they really work on cDNA?
4. Are you using enough/too much cDNA on your PCR?
....


You are correct friend.

1. My RNA is good. I hope it is enough. cause i get band in a 50Ál reaction. But for 25Ál reaction, there is no band. also i tried vortexing after adding RNA and primers into mix (before adding enzymes). still no result.

2. well my cDNA. i use qiagen's one step RT. I do not have access to buy two step or any other reagent. Could you please suggest me if there is a way to find out if my RT reaction is efficient enough. Because even I doubt this.

3. Primers are good. They do work on cDNA.

4. Again, how do I find out. What will happen if there is too much cDNA. Please explain.

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 05:38 PM

Friends,

also i am using a lab-made cycler (not commercial one). so do you think, the temperature variations could cause it. if so how to find out.

B)

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Posted 10 November 2009 - 08:04 PM

Hey, think of the differences between PCR and RT-PCR and you'll get step closer to find out what's wrong:

1. How do you prepare your RNA? Is it good enough? Is there enough?
2. How do you prepare your cDNA? Is the RT reaction efficient enough?
3. How are your primers design? Should they really work on cDNA?
4. Are you using enough/too much cDNA on your PCR?
....


You are correct friend.

1. My RNA is good. I hope it is enough. cause i get band in a 50Ál reaction. But for 25Ál reaction, there is no band. also i tried vortexing after adding RNA and primers into mix (before adding enzymes). still no result.

2. well my cDNA. i use qiagen's one step RT. I do not have access to buy two step or any other reagent. Could you please suggest me if there is a way to find out if my RT reaction is efficient enough. Because even I doubt this.

3. Primers are good. They do work on cDNA.

4. Again, how do I find out. What will happen if there is too much cDNA. Please explain.



LAK,

hv u tried out the RT reaction with control set of primers????

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 12:31 AM

Hey, think of the differences between PCR and RT-PCR and you'll get step closer to find out what's wrong:

1. How do you prepare your RNA? Is it good enough? Is there enough?
2. How do you prepare your cDNA? Is the RT reaction efficient enough?
3. How are your primers design? Should they really work on cDNA?
4. Are you using enough/too much cDNA on your PCR?
....


You are correct friend.

1. My RNA is good. I hope it is enough. cause i get band in a 50Ál reaction. But for 25Ál reaction, there is no band. also i tried vortexing after adding RNA and primers into mix (before adding enzymes). still no result.

2. well my cDNA. i use qiagen's one step RT. I do not have access to buy two step or any other reagent. Could you please suggest me if there is a way to find out if my RT reaction is efficient enough. Because even I doubt this.

3. Primers are good. They do work on cDNA.

4. Again, how do I find out. What will happen if there is too much cDNA. Please explain.



LAK,

hv u tried out the RT reaction with control set of primers????



DRN,
how do i do a RT. please explain. after RT what do i do with cDNA.

please consider me a beginner and explain in detail...... (am not an expert as you all are :rolleyes: )

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Posted 11 November 2009 - 01:46 AM

Hey, think of the differences between PCR and RT-PCR and you'll get step closer to find out what's wrong:

1. How do you prepare your RNA? Is it good enough? Is there enough?
2. How do you prepare your cDNA? Is the RT reaction efficient enough?
3. How are your primers design? Should they really work on cDNA?
4. Are you using enough/too much cDNA on your PCR?
....


You are correct friend.

1. My RNA is good. I hope it is enough. cause i get band in a 50Ál reaction. But for 25Ál reaction, there is no band. also i tried vortexing after adding RNA and primers into mix (before adding enzymes). still no result.

2. well my cDNA. i use qiagen's one step RT. I do not have access to buy two step or any other reagent. Could you please suggest me if there is a way to find out if my RT reaction is efficient enough. Because even I doubt this.

3. Primers are good. They do work on cDNA.

4. Again, how do I find out. What will happen if there is too much cDNA. Please explain.



LAK,

hv u tried out the RT reaction with control set of primers????



DRN,
how do i do a RT. please explain. after RT what do i do with cDNA.

please consider me a beginner and explain in detail...... (am not an expert as you all are :rolleyes: )




i use the invitrogen kit for one-step RT n i take 1ug of RNA. after RT, i add RNAseH. this is required only if u hv to get the RT-PCR product sequenced/cloned (coz u don't want traces of RNA in that case). Next step is to determine
a) cDNA is free of genomic DNA. for that can run a PCR with -RT reaction. by that I mean, the reaction should hv ur RNA but not the cDNA. if u get amplification in this case, it means that there is genomic DNA contamination.

B) another point to see is if cDNA is fine. for that I do a PCR with primers for costitutive/good-expressing genes......the reaction almost without fail should work for these, if ur cDNA is good.

c) next is, ur RNA yield might be good. but what if, the no. of trancripts of ur desired gene is less? what u quantitate is the entire mRNA pool, not ur specific one, right?.......therefore, if u aren't getting the RT-PCR to work, it could also be because u might just hv to use more of the cDNA, more primers........I mean u will hv to standardize that.

hope this is of at least some help........lemme know.

all the best

Edited by DRN, 11 November 2009 - 01:51 AM.





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