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[hanming86]

Put feeling into research , then you will ruin everything. Trust me on that.

Everyone has feeling yes.We are human after all.  But try to make it professional and put feeling aside for this purpose.

Research is harsh , it will beat u down to ur knee if u let it. But instead of pointing finger to everyone, i think it's worthwhile to look at ourselves sometimes. maybe we are the one who's letting ourselves being eaten by ourselves.

George is being frank and straight to the point. A very very very rare but respectable attribute among ppl nowadays.

AFter all,

It's not about you, it's about science.

[casandra]

hanming86, on Sep 27 2009, 11:28 PM, said:

Put feeling into research , then you will ruin everything. Trust me on that.

Everyone has feeling yes.We are human after all.  But try to make it professional and put feeling aside for this purpose.

Research is harsh , it will beat u down to ur knee if u let it. But instead of pointing finger to everyone, i think it's worthwhile to look at ourselves sometimes. maybe we are the one who's letting ourselves being eaten by ourselves.

George is being frank and straight to the point. A very very very rare but respectable attribute among ppl nowadays.

AFter all,

It's not about you, it's about science.

Hi hanming,

George is not just being frank and straight to the point, he was downright insulting and derisive...just take a look at how he responded to me and I wasn't that provocative. I could see his point and most probably Lab Techie did too but like I said, he could have said his point a little better....are you condoning this rudeness? And rudeness is not rare but what is respectable there? And I wouldn't be so dismissive of feelings at all...why else are you standing up for him?

But just to prove a point....let me re-write his posts without changing the content (and without his permission ) and let's ask Lab Techie how he'd "take" the modified ones. Tomorrow ...part II...sorry, bed time ....

casandra

[hanming86]

Yes i did look at most of his posts. He's a downright serious evaluator of ppl's comments. If you got a good point, he will not give negative comment and vice versa. U might not appreciate ppl like this in bioforum but i do. Perhaps having seen a lil bit of both the dark and bright side of science, i have gotten to this conclusion. life ain't always sunshine and rainbow. Gotta be strong and move on.I mean if we can't take criticism like this and keep complaining about it instead of finding a way to improve ourselves, then what use are we .. really in science.

Edited by hanming86, 27 September 2009 - 08:45 PM.

[eberthella]

agree with hamming to the extent that that folks, esp. those trying to make business deals, need to take criticism and move on.   sorry miss manners, old georgie's question so why does (the inventor) need you? is not rude - it's what anyone in such dealings from vc to technology inventor would ask.   from Trump to Eli Whitney, they'd want something substantial to the ultimate goal of financial reward from the guy.  wonder if the Wright brothers would have given a piece of the action to someone who had suggested "why don't you guys invent something so we could fly?"

re. the proposal, the patent literature is replete with such stuff - from microbes to enzymes treating everything from toxic compounds to unwanted slimes and soils in situ to batch and continuous-flow treatment.   even if this prior art didn't exist, patentability of techie's trivial description is highly unlikely even in less demanding patent venues such as Japan.  i'll add that companies that do their own R&D are generally wary of "inventor's" ideas - they can jeopardize/complicate proprietary nature of ongoing internal research.  they sure follow the scientific and patent lit.

[casandra]

eberthella, on Sep 28 2009, 06:52 AM, said:

agree with hamming to the extent that that folks, esp. those trying to make business deals, need to take criticism and move on.   sorry miss manners, old georgie's question so why does (the inventor) need you? is not rude - it's what anyone in such dealings from vc to technology inventor would ask.   from Trump to Eli Whitney, they'd want something substantial to the ultimate goal of financial reward from the guy.  wonder if the Wright brothers would have given a piece of the action to someone who had suggested "why don't you guys invent something so we could fly?"

re. the proposal, the patent literature is replete with such stuff - from microbes to enzymes treating everything from toxic compounds to unwanted slimes and soils in situ to batch and continuous-flow treatment.   even if this prior art didn't exist, patentability of techie's trivial description is highly unlikely even in less demanding patent venues such as Japan.  i'll add that companies that do their own R&D are generally wary of "inventor's" ideas - they can jeopardize/complicate proprietary nature of ongoing internal research.  they sure follow the scientific and patent lit.

Now I know whom I've been missing ....Miss Manners, eh...hah...you call me this afterall the impudence and irreverence I've doled out to you. Well, at least it's better than Miss 'Tech Ignoramus' or Miss 'Hurt Feelings'....I appreciate the ironic twist . And it was rude, just as I was rude to you and George (nope, actually I was more rude)..but you wouldn't know the difference because you're Mr Bad Manners. But I like this new you Eberth...did you read again your post, you've shed a lot of the attitude? It doesn't put me on the defensive or worse, extremely offensive mode.

Really, I've to ask myself why must we go first thru an initial bout of nastiness before we can get to the real helpful insights? Did it hurt so much to post something civilised devoid of ad homs and flaming? So what's the helpful, more practical advice for Lab Techie...just to drop it cos it's hopeless and will never pan out? That a person alone, not connected to an institution with very limited resources has no chance at all to make his "idea" work and no company will ever be interested to invest in it?

And I've another query (since you are in the sharing mood anyways) which he also mentioned in his post....about this confidentiality agreement. How does it work or does it really work at all and how is it enforced?

[hanming86]

casandra, on Sep 28 2009, 06:23 AM, said:

eberthella, on Sep 28 2009, 06:52 AM, said:

agree with hamming to the extent that that folks, esp. those trying to make business deals, need to take criticism and move on.   sorry miss manners, old georgie's question so why does (the inventor) need you? is not rude - it's what anyone in such dealings from vc to technology inventor would ask.   from Trump to Eli Whitney, they'd want something substantial to the ultimate goal of financial reward from the guy.  wonder if the Wright brothers would have given a piece of the action to someone who had suggested "why don't you guys invent something so we could fly?"

re. the proposal, the patent literature is replete with such stuff - from microbes to enzymes treating everything from toxic compounds to unwanted slimes and soils in situ to batch and continuous-flow treatment.   even if this prior art didn't exist, patentability of techie's trivial description is highly unlikely even in less demanding patent venues such as Japan.  i'll add that companies that do their own R&D are generally wary of "inventor's" ideas - they can jeopardize/complicate proprietary nature of ongoing internal research.  they sure follow the scientific and patent lit.

Now I know whom I've been missing ....Miss Manners, eh...hah...you call me this afterall the impudence and irreverence I've doled out to you. Well, at least it's better than Miss 'Tech Ignoramus' or Miss 'Hurt Feelings'....I appreciate the ironic twist . And it was rude, just as I was rude to you and George (nope, actually I was more rude)..but you wouldn't know the difference because you're Mr Bad Manners. But I like this new you Eberth...did you read again your post, you've shed a lot of the attitude? It doesn't put me on the defensive or worse, extremely offensive mode.

Really, I've to ask myself why must we go first thru an initial bout of nastiness before we can get to the real helpful insights? Did it hurt so much to post something civilised devoid of ad homs and flaming? So what's the helpful, more practical advice for Lab Techie...just to drop it cos it's hopeless and will never pan out? That a person alone, not connected to an institution with very limited resources has no chance at all to make his "idea" work and no company will ever be interested to invest in it?

And I've another query (since you are in the sharing mood anyways) which he also mentioned in his post....about this confidentiality agreement. How does it work or does it really work at all and how is it enforced?

Regarding Lab Techie, i just feel he needs to take in both positive and negative(regardless of how bad it is) comment. Can't just always eat candy can we?

He can make his idea work, but like anybody, he has to start from ground zero and slowly prove to ppl that his idea is good be it with research support and all that. Everyone has crazy idea but talking about it aint getting us anywhere.

actions > words


cliche but yea..


he can make it if he got what it takes and willing to put in effort and sacrifice.
If he wanna succeed, he gotta grow in this "rude" world. no more cocoon, time to fly

[Lab Techie]

Good Lord! This is RIDICULOUS! Cassandra, thank you for standing by me! First of all, I'd like to set it straight that I am NOT a he. I'm a she. I am no more different than the people you see on the TV show American Inventor. I have a dream, an idea, and simply wanted to know if there was anyone out there that would be interested in learning more about what my thought is. I truly, truly believe that what I have in mind, if it could be put into action WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S HELP (God forbid I need help and am not a genius!), would bring in serious profits. No one even knows what it's really about to truly have an opinion! I'm done with this BioForum. I thought everyone was here to motivate and support each other. I had no idea it was actually a bashing session. I'm 7-1/2 months pregnant now and don't need any more negativity. It's completely unnecessary. Good bye and good luck to all.

[casandra]

my bad...nope, their bad.....actually, our bad. C'mon, Lab Techie, and I'm esp sorry we mistook you for a guy. The three of us, george, eberthella and I have a kind of history (hairs were pulled, punches were thrown and inevitably, it resulted in a thread lockdown) and then it kinda spilled all over the place and now you made me feel guilty about it. It was juvenile, self-indulgent and with a lot of ego-related issues so I apologise for my behavior (but they started it ....and how come I'm the only one who feels bad about it). But lately though, we have been behaving ourselves... well, at least until the next crisis. Anyways, you can't judge how helpful and supportive this forum is based on this or one other thread. Most of the veterans and moderators here take the time to help out, give advice and encouragement to those who come here for help. They are pretty nice and decent too when they go about it and oftenly, are rarely thanked for their efforts nor shown any appreciation.

But once in a while you'll have someone like George or eberthella who prefers the tough love/boot camp approach (it's science after all, mental sports, critical thinking and all that, no place for emotions/niceties blablabla) which could work for some but not for others who might react just as rudely or offensively but that's the risk they want to take. I think, for them, it's all about proving your mettle and learning to defend yourself and your ideas because that's how it is in the real world...but, that's probably only my kitchen sink psychology...

Btw, I've seen one or 2 shows of the Dragon's Den and the experience could be very brutal for would-be inventors (could well as be scripted too) but I guess that's how it is esp when profit is involved. Compared with the "dragons", george and eberth are angels. You have to be prepared for negativity and you can't give up on your dreams, you just have to work more on it. Goodluck with your pregnancy...you've already got one priceless product right there.......

[GeorgeWolff]

Right - you've feelings and nothing more - for once we agree.

There is no invention here.

[casandra]

GeorgeWolff, on Oct 8 2009, 06:05 PM, said:

Right - you've feelings and nothing more - for once we agree.

There is no invention here.

....right (my gosh, why did I even bother)....but because I've got feelings and feelings for other people then I have no need for new IDs ) ....George dude....if Black Eyed Peas is too contemporary and hiphoppity for you, then you shld check out this classic.....probably one of the best songs written about feelings...I've Got A Feeling.....can't we agree on this one too?

[GeorgeWolff]

As hammings pointed out so well - feelings  and science are largely incompatible.  What hammings does not realize is that casandra is not here for the science and in fact knows little if anything useful to that end.  You'll find no techniical comments of note from mother casandra and her forays beyond the trivial are only to share her feelings.   You see, it's not about the poor lab techie - it's about her.  She is too ignorant to participate in discussion to the point so she'll insert herself and go on for volumes telling us how she feels about it.


to the point:
lab techie, following is an example of a patented concept.  Note please specificity and detail - and undersstand data were submitted to support the application.  It should be evident that "facilitating  conversion of one compound to another that is not toxic", the admitted extent of your thinking so far, is inadequate.

United States Patent  7,594,952
Cooper ,   et al.  September 29, 2009  

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Treatment of smelting by-products


Abstract
A method of treating a spent potliner after use in an aluminum smelting process, the method comprising crushing and classifying the spent potliner, placing the classified and crushed spent potliner in a furnace at a temperature greater than 450.degree. C., heating the spent potliner to a temperature greater than 450.degree. C., mixing the heated spent potliner with water to produce reaction gases and residue, burning the reaction gases, mixing the residue with water in a well ventilated area for a period of weeks to cure the residue. The method also embraces blending the cured residue with other chemicals and minerals to provide specific mineral products.

[casandra]

GeorgeWolff, on Oct 11 2009, 09:52 AM, said:

As hammings pointed out so well - feelings  and science are largely incompatible.  What hammings does not realize is that casandra is not here for the science and in fact knows little if anything useful to that end.  You'll find no techniical comments of note from mother casandra and her forays beyond the trivial are only to share her feelings.   You see, it's not about the poor lab techie - it's about her.  She is too ignorant to participate in discussion to the point so she'll insert herself and go on for volumes telling us how she feels about it.

You're sounding more and more like a broken record Georgie...next time, remind me to teach you how to insult me more creatively. Besides, it's deja vu all over again esp the mother casandra ref...at least if I forayed somewhere and everywhere, I am not forcibly asked to leave ....and yes, it's all about me....that's why I have posts all over the place but I'm not "leaving" just bec you want me too, too bad eh.......hmm...you're a really tough customer George but perhaps you prefer this cheesy version then: Feelings

btw...your post for lab techie...kinda too late now, eh...sorry, I guess I drove her away with my trivial posts here....have a great rest of the weekend.....forecast: clouds but with a possiblilty of frost so take care....

oh, and since I'm already mother casandra, can I get the bioforum Peace prize then? I'll share it with you ......

[GeorgeWolff]

You really do beg for attention.

[casandra]

GeorgeWolff, on Oct 11 2009, 08:12 PM, said:

You really do beg for attention.

oh yeah...and look who's talking? So how's about it, Georgie, the Peace Prize? Don't we both deserve to share it? ....and to celebrate this wondrous event...how about a Lennon classic on Peace.....

[eberthella]

Yup.  I think you got it right georgie, "mother" casandra really is desperately begging for attention.
  
Thanks for posting the patent it should helplab techie understand if he/she wasn't put off by c's attempt at earth mother.